During Barack Obama’s tenure as the president of the Harvard Law Review in the late 1980s, at least two male student editors complained to colleagues and senior university officials about inappropriate behavior by Obama, ultimately leaving their positions at the journal, multiple sources confirm to THE KANSAS CITIAN.
The men complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Obama that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the university that gave them financial payouts to leave the journal. The agreements also included language that bars the men from talking about their departures.
In a series of comments over the past 10 days, Obama and his administration repeatedly declined to respond directly about whether he ever faced allegations of sexual harassment at the journal. They have also declined to address questions about specific reporting confirming that there were financial settlements in two cases in which men leveled complaints.
THE KANSAS CITIAN has confirmed the identities of the two male journal editors who complained about Obama but, for privacy concerns, is not publishing their names.
White House spokesman Jay Carney told THE KANSAS CITIAN the president indicated to White House staff that he was “vaguely familiar” with the charges and that the university’s general counsel had resolved the matter.

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Wow....these allegations are only coming out in the media now? Sexual harrassment while at Harvard, two men have been given money because of their complaints?
What do you think?
- 12 votes
ive been hearing rumors over the past year that obama was gay. so im not suprised about this, just shocked its finally coming out in the media.
- 8 votes
Dear Sam,
I have heard these rumors too.
I think this article is significant because these two men have received moneys from their complaints.
- 12 votes
Just keep promoting that hate Therese, it's what your best at.
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For those that don't know its satire. This is actually about Herman Cain, just replace "men, Obama, Harvard" with women, Cain and national restaurant association and its the same news we been hearing for the last 3 weeks about Cain. If you click the hyperlinks in the article it goes to the Cain story they copied and edited.
I think this article is significant because these two men have received moneys from their complaints.
If it wasn't satire you would be right.
- 21 votes
Dear CPO,
Did you feel it was "hate" when Pres Candidate Herman Cain had sexual harrassment allegations brought to the media?
- 8 votes
Rhazes,
It is not satire, it is an article about sexual harrassment against Obama while he was at Harvard.
This is as relevant as the media coverage on sexual harrassment allegations against Pres candidate Herman Cain.
- 8 votes
I know you Therese and yoiu have been promoting hate and lies about Obama since he was elected, same old @!$%# from you, different day.
- 23 votes
Don't know if this is satire, but you are right the article. It is about Cain. The link to AP takes you to the story about Cains 3rd women. In addition it's a blog not a Newspaper. Now if we want to consider blogs media now, since I can write anything I want on a blog, then ok. Shame that this was posted given the Bio of the seeder, which would lead me to believe how above something like this she would be, surprises me very much.
The link to the article found in the blog is:
http://thekansascitian.blogspot.com/
And that is also my real picture as is my bio factual.I chose not to use my real name, but gave it to the vine. And I have been married 43 years with 3 children and 7 grandchildren and go to church every Sunday also.
- 12 votes
Dear Night,
The link you provided was on an article about Pres Cand Newt Gingrich.
The link I provided was for the article about allegations of Obama and sexual harrassment.
If an article has "comments" from readers, they are not from the author.
Why did you not use your real name then?
- 7 votes
Therese, I suggest you get professional help in dealing with your "hate" and false witness issues.
- 16 votes
The link I gave was to the blog that your article came from to begin with, which is a blog not a newspaper
- 10 votes
How did Hillary's PUMAs, Donald Trump, Orly Taiz, etc. miss an opportunity to follow up on a sitch allegedly supported by university documents?
The K-Citian was able to get sexual harassment documentation about Obama but not his grades. Interesting.
- 5 votes
I went to your main page Therese. Much to my surprise you talk about your strong Catholic faith. The last time I checked, the Church still frowned on bearing false witness (it's still one of the big ten).
Is anyone else as shocked as I am that a devout Christian would so willfully spread lies?
- 16 votes
Therese Your link is
http://thekansascitian.blogspot.com/2011/11/barack-obama-accused-by-two-men-of.html
Everything after the .com only takes you to the page on the BLOG were what you seeded is found. Please you are smarter then that .
- 12 votes
Is anyone else as shocked as I am that a devout Christian would so willfully spread lies?
Oops. That's considered bearing false witness. There are biblical laws against that.
- 13 votes
It is not satire, it is an article about sexual harrassment against Obama while he was at Harvard.
Did you actually click the link in the blog post? It takes you to a Politico story about the sexual harassment charges against Herman Cain.
- 12 votes
Did you actually click the link in the blog post? It takes you to a Politico story about the sexual harassment charges against Herman Cain.
Exactly the point! It is satire...The point is, if this had been about Obama, the MSM would have DEMANDED FACTS before reporting the story... But since Cain is a conservative, well just the accusations are enough to get him booted. We have no facts, just allegations. Unproven ones at that - we have seen no phone records, no receipts, nothing but what people say...this latest one...really, Herman Cain felt like having an affair when he was in the midst of Stage IV cancer?? Really? And what happened to the other women? I guess their job is done and they just fade into the background.
I don't know if Cain did these things or not, I tend to think not. If these women are lying and destroying his character, I hope he sues the panties off of them and they live under a bridge the rest of their pathetic insignificant lives. If Cain is lying; well, he already got what he deserved.
I said it once and I will say it again, with liberals, it is not whether a conservative did the supposed action or not, it is the seriousness of the charge that matters. And this satire piece points it out brilliantly.
- 5 votes
Everything after the .com only takes you to the page on the BLOG were what you seeded is found. Please you are smarter then that.
Perhaps it should be re-tagged before it gets reported and taken down as "miscategorized/off-topic" or plain old "inaccurate." At least a satire tag would be appropriate.
- 12 votes
I tend to think he did do those things, but to get your point, yes- I understand the point that blogger was trying to make, as bogus as it is. Unfortunately for him, the only point he made has to do with Obama Derangement Syndrome:). Amazing, lol. I read the comment thread there, and all the way through, long after some people had pointed out that it's a re-worded version of a Politico article about Cain, commenters were taking it at face value. And you know, it certainly wasn't as if they were DEMANDING FACTS, LOL.
- 11 votes
Rhazes,
It is not satire, it is an article about sexual harrassment against Obama while he was at Harvard.
This is as relevant as the media coverage on sexual harrassment allegations against Pres candidate Herman Cain.
Its a direct copy of the politcal story and edited for Obama. There is no possible way you can't understand how its fake. The Kansas Citian even bolded and capitalized the same places.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html#ixzz1fhgLAtPA
During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.
The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association. The agreements also included language that bars the women from talking about their departures.
http://thekansascitian.blogspot.com/2011/11/barack-obama-accused-by-two-men-of.html
During Barack Obama’s tenure as the president of the Harvard Law Review in the late 1980s, at least two male student editors complained to colleagues and senior university officials about inappropriate behavior by Obama, ultimately leaving their positions at the journal, multiple sources confirm to THE KANSAS CITIAN.
The men complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Obama that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the university that gave them financial payouts to leave the journal. The agreements also included language that bars the men from talking about their departures.
The National Restaurant Association actually paid out because of Cain, this is why the media covered it. The Harvard Law Review never paid anything because the story was made up.
- 11 votes
Wow, Therese, did you EVER get punked. If you Google the information, it is being sent around the internet by the usual haters of your President. I am sure that you regret taking part in promoting false information.
- 9 votes
This seeded is an entire load of dung. Get real.
Are you a Birther or just a run of the mill Tea Bag?
- 6 votes
yeah,...the seeder of this propaganda & misinformation should be sued for defamation,...
PS. There isn't a newsource in Kansas City called the Kansas Citian,...
I guess that is all the repubs have left. Make stuff up in the hopes that some more ignorant than they will believe it?
Sadly, they don't seem to realize that the mental acuity ends with them. There simply aren't any people more ignorant than this poster - Therese.
Oh, I get it, she published a blog on blogspot and then is reporting it as though it is an actual 'news' story,...priceless.
- 10 votes
Funny thing I've never heard of these rumors, sounds like something you'd find in a supermarket tabloid.
BREAKING NEWS: Obama is alien visitor from another planet.
Run with it dim witted idiots.
- 5 votes
Oh my. Is this as bad looking as I think it is? Claims that Obama made homosexual advances, supported by a link to an article about Herman Cain being accused of such behavior?
So, is this simply a matter of wishful thinking being blindsided by parody, or is this truly a claim made by someone who didn't even research their seed?
Methinks this is a huge embarrassment for anyone on the right, and may well have been intended that way.
What do you think?
I think you need to research your seeds better. 'Look to be informed.' indeed...
- 6 votes
I believe everything I see on the internet and everything Faux News tells me.
http://www.presidentialufo.com/old_site/bush_alien_update.htm
- 8 votes
Point here is that the liberals DIDN'T simply believe the Cain story either. Most of us RESEARCHED IT. Do a little on this article, and it falls apart...Cain's debacle hasn't.
- 6 votes
So, is this simply a matter of wishful thinking being blindsided by parody, or is this truly a claim made by someone who didn't even research their seed?
...or both?:)
- 7 votes
Are you a Birther or just a run of the mill Tea Bag?
Come on, that's a COH violation. Reported.
- 5 votes
Most of us RESEARCHED IT. Do a little on this article, and it falls apart..
Okay, what did you find? Have you seen the call logs? The text messages? Hotel receipts where a rendezvous happened - as they must surely have hotel receipts for a 13 year affair, no? What specifically was he supposed to have done to the first two women? We still don't even have any idea what he supposedly did. I have seen none of those things so tell us where your "researched" and found these.
- 6 votes
For those that don't know its satire. This is actually about Herman Cain, just replace "men, Obama, Harvard" with women, Cain and national restaurant association and its the same news we been hearing for the last 3 weeks about Cain. If you click the hyperlinks in the article it goes to the Cain story they copied and edited.
Good call. It appears to be a subtle critique of the media coverage of Cain's [first, unidentified] ex-coworkers. It's more of a shot at Politico than anyone else, I think. Can be really confusing at first blush, though.
A lot of folks reported this article as inaccurate, but I don't think it needs the satire tag, just close reading.
...
tracytruth, devie, first rule:
- 11 votes
If it was meant as satire then why did Therese write this in #1.6 - Mon Dec 5, 2011 7:02 AM EST? Just wondering.
Rhazes,
It is not satire, it is an article about sexual harrassment against Obama while he was at Harvard.
This is as relevant as the media coverage on sexual harrassment allegations against Pres candidate Herman Cain.
- 6 votes
devie,
Do you know who was the original "birther"?
It was 2008 Presidential Candidate Hilliary Clinton, yep so if you have problems with the info about this and questions about Obama's citizenship, blame Hilliary Clinton.
Article + link where Hilliary Clinton's supporters started questioning Obama's citizenship, Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theoriesCached - Similar
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devie,
Fact check has the facts about the true Birther, Hilliary Clinton
www.factcheck.org/tag/birth-certificate/page/2/Cached
Q: Has a “smoking gun” been found to prove Obama was not born a U.S. citizen? ... of the lawsuit brought against Obama by a Philadelphia Hillary supporter, ...
- 3 votes
So... Your article is dis-proven, and you move on to attack another 'liberal'... Off topic- IN YOUR OWN SEED.
Pretty sad. Untracking.
- 11 votes
CPO Sharkey, wrote a comment in violation of the COH?!
Tyler, was here and did not delete it?!
Therese, I applaud you and ALL your seeds!!!
God Bless you!
- 5 votes
So I did check it out. Where exactly is Hilary's name in the fact check article? Therese what are you talking about?
Q: Has a “smoking gun” been found to prove Obama was not born a U.S. citizen? Did he attend Occidental College on a scholarship for foreign students?
A: This chain e-mail is a transparent April Fools’ Day hoax. It fabricates an AP news story about an nonexistent group, and makes false claims about Obama and the Fulbright program.
FULL QUESTION
I recently received this and wanted to know if it is accurate, and what the implications are.
Thanks
OBAMA – SMOKING GUN FINALLY FOUND?
April 1, 2009
AP- WASHINGTON D.C. – In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking.
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The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue. Meanwhile, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs scoffed at the report stating that this was obviously another attempt by a right-wing conservative group to discredit the president and undermine the administration’s efforts to move the country in a new direction.
Britain’s Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned”, leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K.
In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama’s dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.
Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.
FULL ANSWERThe claim is that Obama received a Fulbright scholarship for foreign students, proving that he is not a U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be president. Supposedly this was reported by The Associated Press. But the claim is false and the story is a hoax.
April Fake
We contacted The Associated Press just to confirm what should be obvious, that no such news story ever appeared on the news agency’s wires. Jack Stokes, the AP‘s manager of media relations, gave us this statement:
AP: The story purported to be from The Associated Press on April 1 is fake.
Furthermore, the group that the fake story credits with gaining release of the supposed “smoking gun” documents is also a fake. Searches of news accounts and Internet sites showed no trace of any group called “Americans for Freedom of Information,” until recently. On May 6 such a group did appear, but only as a joke to make fun of anyone who had fallen for the April Fools’ Day gag. An anonymous blogger set up a site calling itself “Americans for Freedom of Information: We Do Not Exist.” Its first entry begins:
“Americans for Freedom of Information” May 6: We are the Americans for Freedom of Information. We are a fictitious group of individuals; i.e. we do not exist. And yet, for a nonexistent organization we wield great power and knowledge! O Yea, Verily. OK, actually, not verily at all. Anti-verily, as a matter of an utter lack of fact.
Update: On May 11 an “Americans for Freedom of Information” Web site was registered to a woman in Hilton, N.Y. named Debra J.M. Smith. This site of course did not exist when on date of the fake AP story, and Smith told us she is not responsible for the claims it makes.
Where Truth Ends
Not all versions of this e-mail carry the telltale April 1 dateline, however. And more than a month after it first appeared we continue to get questions about whether it is true, and to see postings on conservative blogs that seem to accept its claims as fact. But not only is the message a hoax, its key claims are as false as they can be.
Among the few claims that are true in this message is that from fall 1979 through spring 1981 Obama attended Occidental College, a small (currently 1,825 students, according to its Web site) school in Los Angeles. After that he transferred to Columbia University in New York City to finish his undergraduate education. The photo here is from his application to Occidental.
It’s also true that Obama was on scholarship while at Occidental, according to articles in the Los Angeles Times and Boston Globe.
But that’s about where the truth ends. For those who might believe that even a fake news story quoting a nonexistent organization might still have some validity, we offer these facts:
No Fulbright: Contrary to what this e-mail claims, Obama’s scholarship wasn’t a Fulbright. It’s true that many foreign students come to the U.S. under the Fulbright program, sponsored by the United States Department of State’s Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. But Fulbrights for foreign students are primarily intended for graduate students studying for masters’ degrees or Ph.D. degrees, not for college freshmen and sophomores.
No “Soetoro”: Another false claim is that Obama attended and received financial aid “under the name Barry Soetoro,” using the surname of his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetoro. The college’s Director of Communications Jim Tranquada told us there’s no record of that. He told us in an e-mail:
Occidental spokesman Tranquada: Contemporary public documents, such as the 1979-80 freshman ‘Lookbook’ published at the beginning of President Obama’s first year at Occidental, list him as Barack Obama. All of the Occidental alumni I have spoken to from that era (1979-81) who knew him, knew him as Barry Obama.
No Records: It’s not even true that Occidental has released Obama’s student records, as claimed in the message. Nor have courts ordered any such records to be made public. According to the college spokesman:
Occidental spokesman Tranquada: To date, all of the litigation filed regarding President Obama’s student records at Occidental has been rejected by the courts. Occidental has not released his transcripts or his student file.
Furthermore there’s no trace of the supposed Daily Mail story headlined “Obama Eligibility Questioned,” either on the newspaper’s Web site or in the Nexis database of stories published by the paper. The claim that the Supreme Court recently agreed to hear a case brought by Leo Donofrio is also false; the high court in fact refused to grant a hearing in that case back on Dec. 8, 2008.
There is a group called the “United States Justice Foundation,” and it does list a Gary Kreep as its executive director. But we find no report of any study of Obama’s legal spending on its Web site, or any mention of turning information over to Attorney General Eric Holder. We’ve asked Kreep about this in an e-mail message, and will update this item should we receive a reply.
Update: May 28: Kreep responded simply: “It’s all a hoax.”
-Brooks Jackson
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From Tyler:
Good call. It appears to be a subtle critique of the media coverage of Cain's [first, unidentified] ex-coworkers. It's more of a shot at Politico than anyone else, I think. Can be really confusing at first blush, though.
A lot of folks reported this article as inaccurate, but I don't think it needs the satire tag, just close reading.
I'm not sure but I wouldn't think this really to be the case based on tsome of the responses and postings by the seeder. Doesn't inspire much confidence in the moderation when baltant falsities are acceptable and can be put forth as truth.
- 6 votes
1.33 & 1.34, flagrant attempts to derail YOUR OWN SEED?!
From 2.1
I do not know what the "birthers" have to do with an article about sexual harrassment.
- 2 votes
#1.38
The "Truth ends" with the lack of disclosure of Obama's grades......Bush has better College grades than Obama, Prove me wrong......
There is no truth for Obama, there are no disclosures on grades, and we all know his VP Biden lied about his college degrees and graduation position of his class.
If we ever find out the turth, as Cain goes, so goes Obama. There is hope for the democrats, as they might be able to primary the Failure in Chief, if they're lucky.
- 3 votes
devie,
If you wish to go by the strict law and legitamacy, I would like to provide you with some hard facts and you can tell me how legal and legitimate Pres Obama's election ballots are and whether he has followed the legal Election ballots for the State of Indiana, St Joseph County for the 2008 campaign.
The 2008 Democratic ballots for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have been found with "forged" signatures and this makes these two Election Ballots illegal for either of them for their names to be on the Ballot for President.
There has to be 500 names on the Ballot for each Dem candidate to be ellegible for Barack Obama and 500 names for Hillary Clinton.
It has now been substantiated that there are "forged" signatures on their ballots. They both did not have enough "legal" or verified names to be put on the ballot for president.
This is now under investigation, the head of the Democratic party has resigned.
Articles in part and links
http://articles.southbendtribune.com/2011-10-08/news/30259654_1_ballot-petitions-signatures-primary-ballot
Spokeswoman Lora Bentley later said the prosecutor could no longer comment on the matter because it was now under investigation. Falsifying a ballot petition is a Class D felony in Indiana. According to Dale Simmons, co-legal counsel for the Elections Division, the statute of limitations for Class D felonies is five years.
'Terribly obvious'
The Tribune has talked with more than 30 people besides Dvorak whose names are on both the Clinton and Schellinger petitions. All but one of them have confirmed their purported signatures on the Clinton petition are not genuine.
Erich Speckin, a forensic document analyst, examined the petitions at the request of The Tribune and Howey Politics.
Example: See some of the obvious mistakes that are clear to any reasonable person.
He said there is clear evidence, based on the consistency of the handwriting, that about 10 pages in the Obama petition were filled in by the same person, and another person apparently filled in nine pages. He said it's possible another two people filled in several more pages. Each page in the petition contains up to 10 signatures.
"It's obvious. It's just terribly obvious," Speckin said, pointing to one of the writer's idiosyncrasies repeated throughout the petition's pages.
The full extent of the fakery, which appears to be limited to the state's 2nd Congressional District and specifically St. Joseph County, is not yet known. The situation, however, calls into question whether either Clinton or Obama, both of whom were U.S. senators at the time, should have been on the Indiana primary ballot.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/07/indiana-2008-presidential-primary-election-fraud-probe-heats-up/
Charity Rorie, a mother of four, sat in her Mishawaka, Ind., kitchen, stunned that her name appeared on a 2008 Democratic presidential primary petition for then-candidate Barack Obama.
"That's not my signature," she told Fox News, saying her signature is "absolutely" a fake. She also said she was troubled someone forged both her signature and that of her husband, Jeff, and listed personal details such as their address and birthdays.
"It's scary," Rorie said. "It's shocking. It definitely is illegal. A lot of people have already lost faith in politics and the whole realm of politics, so that just solidifies all of our worries and concerns."
Robert Hunter Jr. said his name was faked, too.
"I did not sign for Barack Obama," he told Fox News, adding his signature supporting the then-Illinois senator's effort to get on the primary ballot was also a forgery.
As he examined the Obama petition he held in his hands, Hunter pointed out that "I always put 'Junior' after my name, every time ... there's no 'Junior' there." He said the signature on the petition looks "very close" to his real one, but it clearly is not.
"My wife and I actually signed a petition for Hillary Clinton," he said. "I am an Obama fan, but not in the primaries I wasn't."
The prospect that theirs are two of an estimated 150 signatures that may have been forged on the petitions has raised the question of whether President Obama actually reached the legitimate number of signatures needed to be placed on the ballot in Indiana. Under state law, presidential candidates need to file 500 signatures from each of the state's nine congressional districts. Indiana election officials say that in St. Joseph County, the Obama campaign qualified with 534 signatures; Clinton's camp had 704. The certified signatures were never challenged.
"I had always thought that, now-President Obama, had earned his victory in Indiana," said the state's Republican chairman, Eric Holcomb. "But then I quickly learned that he had cheated his way on to the ballot in the primary."
The allegations that election fraud touched a race for the highest office in the land are at the center of an investigation by St. Joseph County Attorney Michael Dvorak. He would not comment, but sources say the probe is gaining steam as prosecutors delve into the petitions that sailed through the St. Joseph County Voter Registration Board, located in South Bend. There have been reports that as many as seven people may have been involved in an alleged conspiracy to fake the petitions.
"I was very surprised," said the newly elected Democratic chairman of St. Joseph County, State Sen. John Broden. "This is a bipartisan issue that we need to take a look at ... so I hope that this is something, that we as both parties, try to look at what exactly happened, and most importantly, how do we prevent it from happening again."
Broden recently replaced long-serving Democratic Chairman Butch Morgan, who resigned suddenly in October under party pressure because of the scandal.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/07/indiana-2008-presidential-primary-election-fraud-probe-heats-up/#ixzz1gR2IMPBv
- 2 votes
The woman is a loser and so are you!
CPOsharkey, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
- 7 votes
tyler:
I don't think it needs the satire tag, just close reading.
Sorry boss, but you're wrong. It's because it requires close reading that it needs a tag. The above item is no more or less satire than the "real" Larry Siclair tale about Obama (no links, Google if you want. Or sitesearch NV for that matter).
And in any event, you and sally need to get together on a "satire" or "satire tag" policy because to my eyes, the above item wasn't obviously satire whereas this obviously was.
- 7 votes
First the birthers, now this crap ? God will these people ever give up ?
- 21 votes
Dear larry,
I do not know what the "birthers" have to do with an article about sexual harrassment.
A prominant presidential candidate, Herman Cain had to address allegations of sexual harrassment.
This is about two men who confirmed they had sexual harrassment complaints against Obama at Harvard, these too should be addressed.
- 10 votes
No, its about Herman Cain, but it has been taken and manipulated to be about Barack Obama. Is this what passes for a catual news storr now? Getting a bit desperate it would seem since you can even find real things to go after the president for.
- 12 votes
Facts, we don't need no stinkin facts.
We know because all you got are lies.
- 5 votes
This is about two men who confirmed they had sexual harrassment complaints against Obama at Harvard,
Then where is the link to story about THAT?
- 6 votes
It's an example of satire. What if the president was attacked in the same way as was Herman Cane? And it's wierd in its way. I could write for hours about it. When you think about it the piece is basically insane. You want to know how I know it was satire? Those things actually happened to Cane. They didn't happen to Obama.
- 16 votes
Door King,
LOL, you stated "Those things actually happened to Cane" Door, were you there?
These article has the same weight as those who brought allegations against Herman Cain.
- 6 votes
You are correct, only Cain and the ladies would know if it really happened. And have the same weight as those made about Cain, but, not when I read them in a blog and the link they give goes to an article about Cain not Obama in the Politico.
I have read other seeds that you have posted that are excellent
- 2 votes
Except settlements were made. Guys like Cane blunder through life terrifying people and never even know it. Do I believe the charges against Cane? No more than I believe in the charges against Sanduski. The Penn State endowment is a vast honey pot. I suspect that in both cases, those who may have been alone with either man are sniffing the winds, sniffing that honey.
- 2 votes
Dear Night,
Thank you for the comment about my other seeds that were excellent.
I have read other pieces about Pres Obama that were contested from a young gay man while he was a Senator.
I think this should have the same weight as Politico, the scandals of politicians have been outed by the Enquirer and have been factual when no other media outlet would post it.
- 6 votes
It would have the same weight if you could back it up, link it to something that isn't about Cain and you might have some relevancy.
- 5 votes
There is no proof shown here about the sexual harassment of Pres Candidate Herman Cain.
Why then does there have to be proof of sexual harassment of Pres Obama?
- 2 votes
There's proof of the allegations that Cain sexually harassed two women. Show us the proof of the allegations that Obama sexually harassed two men who worked(?) for the Harvard Law Review.
- 3 votes
There's proof of the allegations that Cain sexually harassed two women.
No there isn't. The Nat'l Rest Assn investigated and proved the accusations to be false which is exactly why no charges were filed.
- 2 votes
There is people coming forward, and also records of money being paid, doesn't that say somehting. UNlike with obama where the article is just plagiarized from the Cain affair. I think that qualifies as a difference.
- 3 votes
No there isn't. The Nat'l Rest Assn investigated and proved the accusations to be false
The allegations were made. There's proof of them being made. I don't think any of us know whether they were proved to be false, because the NRA declined to release that information. But we do know the accusations were made. Otherwise, why would they investigate?
- 3 votes
Therese, You should click on the links in the article prior to seeding. Conservatives are grasping at straws. Nice try though.
Please look to be factually informed.
- 18 votes
babina,
Soooo, were the allegations against Pres candidate the lefts/Obama supporters "grasping at straws"
The media ran with every allegation brought forward against Herman Cain.
This is significant as well, sexual harrassment allegations against Pres Obama by men at Harvard who were paid, yep it is significant.
- 5 votes
At least there was proof for the Cain issue. The only proof you offer is a link to something about Cain and nothing about Obama. Do you really miss that point?
- 7 votes
Nleson you have stooped to a new low.....this might as well be an Onion piece....good grief woman!!!
- 20 votes
Dear Wizeguy,
I thought the incessant media coverage about Herman Cain was low too....I was grieved by it.
If that was not stooping low to bring out sexual harrassment charges against Herman Cain, then in the same token it should have the same weight if Obama had sexual harrassment complaints about him.
The media coverage about the sex allegations were prolific, so Obama should receive the same coverage, let US be fair.
- 6 votes
Don't you know, that the more successful the president is in righting the ship, the lower the right wing stoops.
Don't you know, the dumber the GOP candidates prove to be, the lower the right wing stoops.
Don't you know, the more the tea party crowd, the libertarians, the "religious" right proves to be ignorant of all reality, the lower the right wing stoops.
Geez Wizeguy, what's wrong with you. I mean, it seems like you actually believe that the "loyal opposition" should have ethics! Should care about our country!! Should get off their dead butts and help us get out of the hole they dug!!!
Geez Wizeguy, what's wrong with you. . . and me. . . and the rest of us who actually care about the country we live in.
BTW - Therese my friend, only you would be able to twist your seed into "being fair".
- 16 votes
Dear Ron,
LOL, wow, it is right and just to throw a good man like Republican Herman Cain down in the dirt, a successful business man.
But, it is low to post sexual harrassment charges against Pres Obama and it is "low"? LOL
No, it is not low if you can do it against Herman Cain. I love my country and so did Herman Cain.
- 6 votes
FYI Therese, it wasn't the "left wing" mainstream media, nor Obama supporters, nor Democrats who attacked Cain. All of us wanted him to stay in the race because he was a complete idiot when it comes to (pick one or all) domestic affairs, foreign affairs, the Constitution, politics, . . . There is no way he would put up even a basic fight against President Obama.
You and your right wing friends are/were deluding yourselves if you think Obama supporters actually gave a rat's backend about Herman Cain. We actually wanted Cain to get the nomination so the president could make a complete fool of him in the first debate so there wouldn't have to be a second.
Why don't you and your unethical friends go after those who really dug up the dirt on Herman? You know, your other right wing, dumber than a box of rocks candidates.
- 12 votes
Dear Ron,
If it is ethical to take any allegation of sexual harassment like what was done to Herman Cain, then it is ethical to post sexual harassment allegations against Pres Obama.
Pres Obama's term ends soon, he is a presidential candidate just like Herman Cain.
- 5 votes
Therese, please, please look up the word before you continue your "ethical" rant.
There is nothing ethical about what you are doing and, as I pointed out, no one other than your right wing friends brought up Cain's alleged transgressions. For you to use your fellow traveler's unethical behavior to justify your own unethical behavior is ridiculous. . . but, like your friends, you are unfazed by logic and morality so there is no use discussing this with you. . . I'm moving on.
- 12 votes
Don't you know, that the more successful the president is in righting the ship, the lower the right wing stoops.
Thanks for that...the best laugh I have had all day long!! LMBO
- 5 votes
I get it now...Hermmie Cain's skeletons were let loose by his opponents so attack the President. It all makes sense to me....
Take a look around Nelson the TEA Party fad has faded quicker than the Hula Hoop. Congress is on it's was to a below zero approval rating. The TEA candidates that were completely backed by the GOP have now fallen from grace...your crystal ball has the President losing the next election???? don't count your chickens before the hens get laid.
- 7 votes
I saw something on the Onion recently "President Barack Obama has finally managed to make a deal with the Republicans - they kicked him in the balls - and he got nothing in return"
That sounds about right!
- 4 votes
The article is a complete plagiarization of a Politico article, word for word except to replace the name "Herman Cain" with "Barack Obama" and "women" to "men".
Plagiarizing is illegal.
- 18 votes
bonos,
I do not agree with your assessment of the article I posted.
This is about Obama at Harvard and it has creditability.
- 4 votes
This is about Obama at Harvard and it has creditability.
Prove it.
- 12 votes
This is about Obama at Harvard and it has creditability.
This statement is not intended to be factual. The only way it's true, is because you found some idiot somewhere- who hates the President more than you do.
Pretty pathetic....
- 13 votes
The thing is Therese is that YOU have no creditability! You are noting more that a right wing attyack dog who thinks they know something because they were a local politician at one time. What's the matter local school board too much for you to handle?
- 16 votes
Ron, CPO, RT,
If you dispute this article, take it up with them.
They said they confirmed the complaints with the men from Harvard.
I did not write this article.
I think this is as credible as the allegations against Pres candidate Herman Cain.
Did you defend Herman Cain?
- 5 votes
This wasn't an 'article'- It was a 'hit-piece'.
And Herman Cain SUCKS. I'm glad he's gone- He makes it hard fro the rest of the black population to be taken seriously. He's a liar, a philanderer, and an UTTER JOKE. If you believed him- you REALLY have issues.
If you seeded it, you should take responsibility.
Pretty pathetic...
- 13 votes
So you think that plagiarism is "creditable"?
Interesting.
- 12 votes
bonos,
You insisting that this article is plagiarism is not founded.
I do not state I wrote this article, that would be plagiarism.
I have been a victim of sexual harassment from a boss, it was ongoing. I felt I could do nothing about it.
If the internet has articles that allow "comments" does not give the comments any more weight than an opinion.
This article stated they have info about the two men from Harvard.
Just because the incidents have similarities does not make it plagiarism.
All sexual harassment claims have similarities, sexual harassment of underlings.
- 5 votes
This is about Obama at Harvard and it has creditability.
You did too Therese, until this stunt...you are bordering on getting ignored for this farce. (not that you care, I'm sure)
- 7 votes
he kind of looks like Urkle in the pic.
- 4 votes
Dear reddirthippy,
hmmmm, I guess you are right, it is not a flattering photo.......
- 4 votes
Maybe Obama was guilty of sexual harassment, Perhaps as a younger man, he might have made mistakes. One thing for sure though. Times are changing in American politics. We are seeing an unprecedented change. Over the next few years America will see the growth of a new type of political party. A strong group now exists. As the unemployment queues grow, so will our membership. See how the occupy movement has grown. Under Bush jnr. It would have been crushed in a week. We have our people in place. It will take time, but the people will take power, and a new type of government will prevail. So knock Obama, Knock him as much as you want. The facts are that America is seeing a new dawn.
- 6 votes
Does that new dawn include all the OWS people being kicked out of their encampments? Their movement is not growing but shrinking - But thanks for the laugh
- 3 votes
BostonMan.
There is a new feeling in America. A feeling of wanting to take over the government of America. We know this is not yet the time for Anarchy in America. But, it is on the way. We see our membership growing fast. We have our people embedded, we have our sleepers and agitators in place. We anarchists will take over America in time. We need Obama to take power this time, we will pick the low hanging fruit, the disaffected liberals that he lets down during his next administration. We will grow, we recognise that people will need to feed their families. Our type of new government will provide for the Americans who have nothing. In the next few years, that will be a lot of Americans. So, mock all you want BostonMan. The reality is, we are already there. Its just a question of time now. I am happy to tell you of our policies.
- 5 votes
Dear gripper,
You are making a pretty serious claim that Pres Obama will take power now and you anarchists will take over America? Wow...
Your comment is against our Constitution and you are stepping out with serious statements.
"There is a new feeling in America. A feeling of wanting to take over the government of America. We know this is not yet the time for Anarchy in America. But, it is on the way. We see our membership growing fast. We have our people embedded, we have our sleepers and agitators in place. We anarchists will take over America in time. We need Obama to take power this time, we will pick the low hanging fruit, the disaffected liberals that he lets down during his next administration. We will grow, we recognise that people will need to feed their families. Our type of new government will provide for the Americans who have nothing. In the next few years, that will be a lot of Americans. So, mock all you want BostonMan. The reality is, we are already there. Its just a question of time now. I am happy to tell you of our policies."
- 4 votes
Dear Therese.
Thank you for your reply to my post 30.4. I would like to expand on it, but realise this would be off the topic, and possibly seen as an attempt to derail your excellent seed. I welcome all debate on the subject of a new America on my column, which I invite all Americans to. Out of respect to you, and this seed, I will close now. But be sure, that you have my total respect.
G.H.
- 3 votes
gripper, go ahead, tell us of your "policies". I think Therese will allow it.
- 2 votes
vol fan gripper, go ahead, tell us of your "policies". I think Therese will allow it.
First. I will let Therese speak for herself thank you.
Second. I will put up an article in the next few days, where you can enjoy a good debate if you like. but out of respect for this seeder, and everyone else, I think it best to keep on the topic. It just makes it harder for her to moderate others that might go well off topic later on. But thanks for giving me the idea of an article, I hope that is a good compromise for you. I apologise to Therese for going off topic again. But hope she understands. I am sure this article was taken down yesterday, I was very pleased to see it restored. It is not good to collapse seeds or articles. So lets not give anyone the opportunity to have another go at this excellent seed.
- 2 votes
Very interesting Therese, I hadn't heard about this.
The men complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Obama that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the university that gave them financial payouts to leave the journal. The agreements also included language that bars the men from talking about their departures.
Wow!
- 6 votes
Dear Elaine,
Yes, it is interesting.
I think the total "chirping crickets" from media sources about this is significant.
When allegations of Herman Cain and his sexual harrassment complaints went viral and continued with such veracity..... Why is not this given the same media coverage?
Makes you think their is bias? Political or Racist?
- 6 votes
I think the total "chirping crickets" from media sources about this is significant.
It certainly is Therese!!
When allegations of Herman Cain and his sexual harrassment complaints went viral and continued with such veracity..... Why is not this given the same media coverage?
That's what I'd like to know too!
- 4 votes
Why is not this given the same media coverage?
You already know.
It isn't true.
It isn't credible.
- 15 votes
dwillie,
I believe this article is true. I think the allegations by these young men are credible.
I do not believe this will be the only article about Pres Obama in the near future.
I think there is a new dawn in that there are things coming out about Pres Obama that were not shown in his 2008 campaign and they are now coming to light.
Especially with the Pres Candidate Herman Cain allegations, the same will happen with Obama. He will reap what he sowed.
- 3 votes
This President has been attacked on his birthplace and his religion for the last four years by every wing nut whack job and bloviator in America and the President's background has been combed over by political operatives for Hillary Clinton, John McCain and the RNC. No way that all of those peocould old have passed over such an explosive allegation, particularly if it had the slightest credibility. In addition, there is an army of gay activists looking to "out" every closeted politician in America. They would not pass on the opportunity to out a sitting President.
That you accept the word of some engineer in Kansas City who blogs on politics as a hobby and who clearly has his own political agenda comes as absolutely no surprise. But his blog post and thus your seed have less credibility than John Lovitz' "Pathological Liar" character from Saturday Night Live.
I write this as someone who welcomed Cain's candidacy and who would have welcomed his nomination for three reasons:
1. The fun of watching racists' heads explode as they faced the prospect of two black candidates
2. President Obama would a much easier path to re-election as Mr. Cain is so clearly unprepared and his views are so extreme
3. Entertainment value - in a train wreck kind of way.
The attack on Herman Cain clearly came from one or more of his republican primary opponents as democrats would have preferred for his bimbo parade to have occurred AFTER he won the nomination. Those same republican operatives would have done the same thing to President Obama long before now.
Face it Therese. Your seed is a massive fail.
- 13 votes
dwillie,
No, my seed is putting out sexual harassment allegations against someone who wants 4 years of President of the United States.
I have been a victim of sexual harassment.
Herman Cain had to address his issues of sexual harassment. Pres Obama is not exempt from this.
Pres Obama and his press office had no comment.
- 3 votes
Pres Obama and his press office had no comment.
He's the President of the United States. He hasn't commented on all of the other stupid @!$%# people spew, either.
I'm pretty sure he got a chuckle out of this one. But there is no need to comment on bull@!$%#. People who believe this stuff should be on America's Funniest Home Videos. Or Jackass. Or The Worlds Dumbest.
Pretty Pathetic...
- 11 votes
Commenting on nonsense such as this only lends undue credibility. If some loser wing-nut blogger in Kansas City is the only published source for this nonsense, then the Administration has no business commenting on it.
Yes, the allegation is pathetic. So is the alla-gator ; - }
Your being a victim of sexual harassment doesn't render your nonsensical seed any credibility. Unfortunately, you do yourself no favors on credibility by attempting to advance such a clearly specious allegation against the President.
- 13 votes
dwille, I voted this seed up. I want to see how many (and who) will fall for this very obvious satire.
First paragraph in the Kansas Citian post:
During Barack Obama’s tenure as the president of the Harvard Law Review in the late 1980s, at least two male student editors complained to colleagues and senior university officials about inappropriate behavior by Obama, ultimately leaving their positions at the journal, multiple sources confirm to THE KANSAS CITIAN
First paragraph in the Politico article linked in the Kansas Citian's first paragraph:
During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html#ixzz1fhgLAtPA
- 9 votes
Therese - that you have been the victim of sexual harrassment is indeed sad and you have my sincere condolenses. That being said I have watched you time and time again post the most blazen crap all in an attempt to take down a good man, good family man, good leader. Is he perfect? No, no one is nor ever will be. Do I have issues in things he has or has not done? Yes, no one is perfect. Herman Cain came on the scene knowing full well he had no shot but to sell his book and in the process make millions off the gullible and stupid. He can now bow out as gracefully as possible and still keep that money!
The right and YOU by proxy by posting the crap they spew have shown yourselves to be intolerant, bigoted and extremely callous. That there are political differences, fine, attack him on those issues but don't take every crap article some paid shill writes as gospel just because you wish it were true. Now all the right really has is Newt (Big Ass Pimple my wife calls him) and because of his past you all know he can't win so it's bring out th Rove dirty playbook and hope you can destroy some cred. Sick, disgusting and childish!
- 15 votes
You're probably right, Plants. But the other posts on the Kansas Citian blog strike me as consistent with someone who at the very least wants such allegations against the President to be true.
- 12 votes
dwillie - of course they do, especially people like the seeder who has always taken any and every opportunity they can to spread the lies. These people call themselves devout christians, laughable!
- 9 votes
Yes, you're right, dwillie. I think the person who "wrote" that blogpost would want such allegations to be true. But, as someone on this thread said, he was trying to make a point. That effort backfired on him.
- 8 votes
Of course you never heard about it - because it's not true!
- 5 votes
Ah, that's something else I meant to mention. Even though that guy took a Politico story on Cain and changed "Cain" and "the National Restaurant Association" to "Obama" and "the Harvard Law Review", there were commenters showing up on that thread saying in effect, "Oh yeah, I heard about this a while ago". LOL.
- 8 votes
I just noticed- #1.2 in this comment thread is a perfect example, LOL.
- 7 votes
You really should put satire in the tags.
- 10 votes
Dear red,
This article is not satire.
It is not satire for Herman Cain, he and his family had to endure weeks of allegations of sexual harassment.
This is allegations of sexual harassment against Pres Obama, why did he not address them?
- 3 votes
This is allegations of sexual harassment against Pres Obama, why did he not address them?
Because.It.Never.Happened.
Intentionally thick much?...
- 14 votes
Intentionally thick much?...
and that is a COH violation...reported.
- 3 votes
for cain there were charges, proceeding, and settlements. This story is completely made up . I guess for the writer writing fraudulent stories is no big deal.
I can't believe you posted it here as a truthful story when it is evident it is not. I hope what ever point you were trying to make was worth your credibility.
- 6 votes
it has already been reported, collapsed and restored again, apparently.
- 2 votes
The linked article isn't the least bit credible
- Its a blog site, not a journalistic source
- Most of the blogs are right-wing topics thus the blogger holds a particular political point of view that is negative toward the President
- The links in the blog-post are to articles about Herman Cain
- It was posted a month ago and not even the wing-nut bloviator sect has been able to expand on it
This seed is just one in a long line of tripe posted to the Vine by those hostile to the President for the consumption and pleasure of the morbidly obtuse. These would be funny if their intent wasn't so pathetic.
- 14 votes
One more reason that the seeded blog sites legation isn't the least bit credible - convenient timing.
- 10 votes
dwillie,
Sexual harassment allegations are not "pathetic" for either the person who accuses or the person who is accused of them.
- 4 votes
Unfounded, suspiciously timed allegations are indeed pathetic.
- 12 votes
Unfounded, suspiciously timed allegations are indeed pathetic.
Yes, they are...and I hope you gave Herman Cain that same consideration.
- 2 votes
I hope you gave Herman Cain that same consideration.
I certainly did and while I no longer believe the charges to be unfounded, of course their disclosure was deliberately timed. Clearly, one or more of Cain's primary opponents initiated the controversy to take him out just like someone attempted to use President Clinton's indiscretions to take him down. Unlike the seed above, however, the charges against Cain and President Clinton actually happen to be true.
- 13 votes
And let's not forget the Big Ass Pimple aka Newt, BJ's in the car by his current wife (while he was married to someone else) while trying to take down Clinton.
Therese - if you hate Obama so much why don't you write (not seed) what your objections are instead of posting this kind of trash. You seem intelligent I'm sure you could string together something more than 'Very telling'.
- 10 votes
Stole the words right out of my mouth dwillie!
But when you hear that monies have been paid, that's very unsettling. Money isn't paid unless there is something to the story.
- 3 votes
I hope you gave Herman Cain that same consideration.
I certainly did and while I no longer believe the charges to be unfounded, of course their disclosure was deliberately timed. Clearly, one or more of Cain's primary opponents initiated the controversy to take him out just like someone attempted to use President Clinton's indiscretions to take him down. Unlike the seed above, however, the charges against Cain and President Clinton actually happen to be true
Ok, I can give you that...it may be he is guilty, dwillie, but right now we don't have any facts, just speculation. Fred is correct, where money is involved it certainly looks bad, but we don't know yet. I will wait for the blue stained dress...if you catch my drift.
- 1 vote
OMG. How low class is the right wing? The will stoop to any depth to take an unfair shot. Just because of bitterness at how their candidate Herman Cain turned out to be a womanizing hypocrite with multiple sexual harrassment allegations against him, instead of taking the high moral ground, they show that skepticism about the moral fibre of the right is utterly justified.
- 9 votes
Dear caballojoe,
Wow, your statement
OMG. How low class is the right wing? The will stoop to any depth to take an unfair shot. Just because of bitterness at how their candidate Herman Cain turned out to be a womanizing hypocrite with multiple sexual harrassment allegations against him, instead of taking the high moral ground, they show that skepticism about the moral fibre of the right is utterly justified.
You stating allegations that candidate Herman Cain turned out to be a womanizing hypocrite and that he is guilty of the allegations.
Sooo, with your reasoning and your higher ground, these sexual harassment allegations about Obama are true.
- 4 votes
Lost in your hate Therese, a sad pathetic excuse for a christian.
- 9 votes
Haaaaaa. This article is just terrible. Lies about Pres Obama. Birthers and what should we called this one, hmm, about about HATERS.
Not even Fox News is running this crap
- 13 votes
caballojoe,
What? A respected businessman like Pres candidate Herman Cain can be scandalized by all blogs, comedians and all is taken as credible.
Yet, I remember when a politician was brought down by a paper people called a "rag" or gossip slop.
It is ok for this to be done against Republican Herman Cain? Was that "low"?
- 4 votes
The allegations against Cain became credible because of the number of women willing to publicly make the charge. On the record. In front of cameras. So far, we've seen nothing on this subject but the blatherings of some engineer in Kansas City. Sorry, only people predisposed to believing or wishing the worst about President Obama view such blatant nonsense with any credibility whatsoever.
- 13 votes
The allegations against Cain became credible because of the number of women willing to publicly make the charge.
No they aren't! Have they presented ANY proof - phone record, hotel receipts (after all, they had to met somewhere during their 13 year affair in the case of the last woman) and the others never said what exactly he did. Funny, they have disappeared from the radar now....
And dwillie, I refer you to your previous comment:
Unfounded, suspiciously timed allegations are indeed pathetic.
These allegations are exactly that...unfounded (we have seen no proof) and suspiciously timed...And until we see EVIDENCE of such, this smear campaign is worse than pathetic - it is bordering on criminal.
- 4 votes
Puhleeze, vol. Your umbrage is neither unexpected nor compelling. Mr. Cain himself admitted to being aware of the settlements that the National Restaurant Association made with women who he allegedly harassed. Too bad he admitted to it AFTER saying at first that he wasn't aware to the settlements.
This isn't a "he said vs. she said" thing, vol, its a he said vs. she, she, she, she & she said thing and Mr. Cain's denials have been far from credible. Evidence? The man isn't on trial for his life or his freedom so please spare us the self-serving pique.
- 12 votes
well good then, dwillie, you should have no trouble providing us the links to the"FACTS"?
This isn't a "he said vs. she said" thing, vol, its a he said vs. she, she, she, she & she said thing and Mr. Cain's denials have been far from credible. Evidence? The man isn't on trial for his life
Dwillie, the left had a stain on a blue dress and the still didn't believe that Clinton had done these things, or they excused them away, even though there were Allegations and LOTS of them before he even got in office, and many thereafter.
You don't see the hypocrisy here? REALLY?? And yes, people who accuse others of doing such things as this better be able to offer actual credible proof. We don't even know what he supposedly did...
The man is on trial for his character and credibility...that would be enough for me.
Like I said, I don't know if he did or didn't do what he is accused of, but he deserves to be treated innocent until proven guilty. The people bringing the charges have the burden of proof.
- 3 votes
Cain dropped out of a Republican primary race, not a general election race. If he didn't have a chance to win, it is because Republican voters would have rejected him. If he was pushed out of the race, Republicans did it- not liberals, and not the "liberal" media.
- 10 votes
I don't give a damn who believed what or when they believed it, vol, as neither is of any consequence. I don't need to know the specifics of what Cain did with these women and when he did it as it has little bearing on my view of him as a presidential candidate - though I didnt think it possible, his alleged improprieties only make him more of a joke. If Mr. Cain feels that his good name has been besmirched, then he can seek redress in civil court for slander and defamation. Alleged sexual indiscretions were used against Clinton as they are being used against Cain and neither has anyone to blame but themselves. No one forced Cain to suspend his campaign and - as Plants accurately points out - it certainly wasn't in the best interests of democrats so your charge of hypocrisy is simply fallacious. Voters saw Clinton's bimbo eruptions and voted for him anyway. So what. Voters would have had the same right if Cain had decided to stay in the race, but he chose otherwise.
Ironic that you would mount that high horse to bray about hypocrisy, vol, particularly when the RNC ran those "Call Me Harold" ads against Harold Ford, Jr. during his failed bid to represent Tennessee in the US Senate. All he did was attend a party with 300 other people and republicans made it a campaign issue, parading a scantily-clad white actress in front of a television camera. Republicans knew what they were doing then and they knew what they were doing with Cain.
You're barking up the wrong tree, vol. If you want to spew self-righteous indignation, your fellow republicans are the appropriate people at which to direct it. Democrats and liberals have been mere spectators on this one, laughing at the whole GOP freak show.
- 8 votes
Ironic that you would mount that high horse to bray about hypocrisy, vol, particularly when the RNC ran those "Call Me Harold" ads against Harold Ford, Jr. during his failed bid to represent Tennessee in the US Senate. All he did was attend a party with 300 other people and republicans made it a campaign issue, parading a scantily-clad white actress in front of a television camera. Republicans knew what they were doing then and they knew what they were doing with Cain.
I have no idea about that...I was living in Alabama at the time...and quite frankly wasn't all that concerned about politics at that time and certainly not TN politics...there's freak show on both sides of the aisle all the time. Sheeze, simmer down.
- 2 votes
This has got to be the most embarrassing article ever posted for the extreme right wing, job-killing, racketeering Republicans. Not only is it proof that many Republicans have no morals, there is no limit to the affirmative unethical behavior they will engage in to commit fraud on any unsuspecting, gullible voter whose attention they can get. To justify the disemination of such blatantly false propaganda on the putative ground that Herman Cain was similarly accused is really a sign of sick desparation. The once honorable Republicans have become a party of hate, prostituting themselves to any filthy trick that can help them promulgate a platform of oligarchy and plutocracy. How disgusting and despicable they have become.
- 16 votes
oh, get off your high horse and try to get the lesson that is being portrayed here...
- 2 votes
No other media source brought out Dem Pres Candidate Edwards paid affair but the scandalist National Enquirer. This was made a point of in the bio in Wikipedia.
We have biased media coverage for the Dems?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards_extramarital_affair
Article in part and link from Wikipedia
The John Edwards extramarital affair refers to the extramarital affair admitted to in August 2008 by John Edwards, a former United States Senator from North Carolina and Democratic Party presidential candidate. The affair was initially reported by The National Enquirer, an American supermarket tabloid newspaper, but was given little or no coverage by many sources in the American mainstream media.[1][2][3] The Enquirer cited claims by an anonymous source that Edwards had engaged in the affair with Rielle Hunter, a filmmaker hired to work for his presidential campaign, and that the relationship had produced a child.
- 3 votes
Article: satire, on a blog, written by a self proclaimed satirist
Seed: lame, vindictive attempt in response to perceived biased reporting by the national media regarding Mr. Cain.
Result: predictable comments by gullible readers encouraged by the seeder, along with intelligent responses noting the intended satire dismissed by the seeder.
My opinion: the seeder should spend more time dealing with real news as opposed to playing games.
- 15 votes
Article in part continued from Wikipedia
The allegations, initially published in late 2007, were denied by both Edwards and Hunter. Andrew Young, a member of Edwards' campaign team, claimed paternity of Hunter's daughter; although no father is listed on the child's birth certificate and Young has subsequently denied it. The Enquirer's claims received little attention outside the tabloid press and political blogosphere until July 2008, when several mainstream media news outlets cited them in relation to Edwards' future political career, and his chances of being selected as a running mate in Barack Obama's 2008 presidential bid.
- 4 votes
You will see by my posts in #17 + #19 that Dem Edward's was being selected as a running mate in Barack Obama's 2008 presidential bid.
No media except blogs and the Enquirer?
We now know Edwards was a liar and he has come to an investigation and other legal problems concerning this covered up Democrat and potential running mate.
Article in part Wikipedia and mainstream media lapse of coverage
On August 1, 2008, the Enquirer published an article naming Hunter's child. Mainstream news organizations subsequently obtained a copy of the birth certificate,[100] and confirmed that a girl had been born at Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital on February 27, 2008. The birth certificate listed the mother's name as "Rielle Jaya James Druck"; the child was given the surname "Hunter"; no father's name was listed. Media reports linked the Druck and Hunter surnames on the birth certificate to conclude that the mother was Rielle Hunter; they also noted that the child was born approximately two months after Young's claimed paternity had been announced by Hunter and Young.[16][101][102] When questioned about the omission of the father's name from the birth certificate, Hunter's attorney said "A lot of women do that" and that the issue was "a personal matter" between Hunter and Young, before declining to comment further.[103][104]
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Even the NYT had to admit the failure of the media and that the National Enquirer was accurate and did what a News organization should do.
This journalist blasted Dem Edward's for thinking that just because his deeds were reported in "supermarket tabloids" it does not absolve him of the deeds described.
Article in part about NYT admitting Enquirer was right, they did not report it
On August 18, 2008, David Carr, news media columnist for The New York Times, wrote that while The National Enquirer can be inaccurate, its revelations about the Edwards affair were a service to the public:[99]
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There are some stories, especially ones that occur in the bedroom, where mainstream media outlets sometimes can’t venture — or at least they can’t find it in themselves to lead the charge. But it would be hard to argue that the body politic is not enriched by the recent revelations that Mr. Edwards is not who we thought he was, even balanced against the many stories the Enquirer gets wrong. (Even in his confession, Mr. Edwards wrinkled his nose and suggested that the allegations had originated with "supermarket tabloids", as if the method of conveyance absolved him of the deeds described.)
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Therese, There are no sexual harassment accusations against President Obama.
It's a lie, made-up, fabricated, deceptive.
You are being made a fool of.
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Did Harvard move to Kansas City? Why didn't I hear about this before?
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The whole thing is total bulsh*t,and the seeder knows it.
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The whole thing is total bulsh*t,and the seeder knows it.
The problem is, she's making comments and discussing this as if it really happened.
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The whole thing is total bulsh*t,and the seeder knows it.
The problem is, she's making comments and discussing this as if it really happened.
Where there is smoke there is fire.
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Describe what the "smoke" is.
The imaginations and fervent desires of the morbidly obtuse.
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Describe what smoke is? Accusations. Same as Herman Cain....guilty.....right?
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Witnesses, depositions, facts and interviews reinforce the Cain storey, but none of those things are present here, only thing this seed represents is desperation in finding somehting to make Obama look bad. And some people are swallowing it hook, line and stinker.
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....guilty.....right?
I don't think so. Do you think Obama is guilty of sexually harassing two men at the Harvard Law Review? Here's the thing- if I knew that the allegations against Cain were leveled in the form of somebody copying an article about another person verbatim and changing a few words, I wouldn't give them any credence whatsoever. Not only that, I wouldn't try to pretend that the article was original, or try to pretend that the charges do have credence. And needless to say, I certainly wouldn't be so deranged as to will myself into actually believing the article was original, and the charges were believable, to hell with all glaring evidence to the contrary.
I'm not speaking in terms of whether or not the allegations are true, but in terms of whether or not they exist. We know beyond any doubt that some women did accuse Cain of sexual harassment. Do we know beyond any doubt that some men accused Obama of the same thing.
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When the Politico article surfaced on allegations with no names against Herman Cain it went viral, the news media jumped on this and all followed without any proof.
There were no questions of proof offered. Just viral frenzy.
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Do you know beyond any doubt that some men at the Harvard Law Review accused Obama of the same thing? Yes or no?
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Do you know beyond any doubt that some men at the Harvard Law Review accused Obama of the same thing?
You are perfectly capable of looking that up yourself. The Viner who seeded the article doesn't have to do everyone's research for them.
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The Viner who seeded the article doesn't have to do everyone's research for them.
Essentially you are saying you know it is false, but you choose to defend it regardless.
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Essentially I'm saying exactly what I said. Do your own research if you want answers to your own questions.
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Do your own research if you want answers to your own questions.
I did my research by clicking on the link to the Politico article. I've answered that question for myself. I'm asking her if she believes two men at the Harvard Law Review made those allegations.
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I always thought the person making the argument is the one that needs to provide the proof, or else it is not an argument, just someones rant or opinion backed up by no facts. If you post somehting, and people question it, isn't it reasonable to expect the poster to back up their position, if not then that is telling in itself on the validity of the posted article.
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WOW~!
I wonder if MSNBC considers this "Black predatory sexuality" as well or is that just inherent to conservative black men - preying on white, blonde women - and not men.
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"Black predatory sexuality"
I had to Google to find out what you're talking about. Of course, Toure meant the false perception of "Black predatory sexuality".
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What a dumb topic/anyone who even thinks this is real/ought to continue to express their feelings here on a dumb topic. Oh and Obama is having a baby too.
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Where is the "proof" of allegations against Pres Herman Cain?
I have not seen any "proof" of the allegations.
Why does there have to be "proof" about the allegations against Pres Obama?
Is this a bias standard?
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Pres Herman Cain? Getting a little ahead of yourself aren't you?
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Where is the "proof" of allegations against Pres Herman Cain?
I know you mean "Where is the proof that the allegations against Cain are true?", but that's the thing- there are allegations against Cain. There aren't any against Obama. Do you actually not understand that this person cut and pasted the Politico article about allegations against Cain, then substituted "Obama" and "Harvard Law Review" for "Cain" and "National Restaurant Association"?
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Do you actually not understand that this person cut and pasted the Politico article about allegations against Cain, then substituted "Obama" and "Harvard Law Review" for "Cain" and "National Restaurant Association"?
Please Inspector don't confuse me with the facts. This is exactly what happenswhen you take Fox Infotainment News as your guiding influence.
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The Politico article had no names or proof, yet Pres Candidate Herman Cain had the viral news on every media outlet without reserve.
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This is just a few of the media articles about the unnamed allegations of Pres Cand Herman Cain on Newsvine/msnbc.
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Herman Cain Sexual Harassment Accusations: GOP Presidential Candidate Denies Politico Report. Seeded on Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:51 AM EDT ...
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Oct 31, 2011 – Herman Cain's presidential campaign is on the defensive this morning after a new Politico report alleges that at least 2 female employees ...
Oct 30, 2011 – Politico: Herman Cain accused of inappropriate sexual behavior ... facebook; twitter; google-buzz; yahoo-buzz; technorati; newsvine; email ...
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The Politico article had no names or proof, yet Pres Candidate Herman Cain had the viral news on every media outlet without reserve.
It had proof of that there were allegations made, and they were confirmed by Cain himself:
On Wednesday, the response shifted. [Cain spokesman] Gordon telephoned to assert he was not using “settled” in a legal context but rather simply meant the matter was “resolved.”
In that interview, Gordon told POLITICO he had spoken to Cain about the allegations and said Cain was “vaguely familiar” with the situation.
“He was vaguely familiar with it and wanted me to get with the [National Restaurant Association] lawyer who worked the case, Peter Kilgore. He said, ‘Just get with Peter Kilgore at the NRA.’
He remembered there was something vaguely, some allegation, but he wasn’t familiar with it. Our lawyer called Peter Kilgore. Their policy is they don’t discuss personnel. That’s what our lawyer then told me.”
So you see, although he tried to be coy about it, Cain himself confirmed that there were allegations.
Remember, the Politico story was the very first piece about this, so in the very first article about these allegations, Herman Cain himself confirmed that some women accused him of improprieties.
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Facts? really? what are they? Didn't think they were relevant here.
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