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In 2008, the youth vote was overwhelmingly for Obama and helped elect him to the White House. Now, three years into his presidency and one year from the most important election of our lives, college students are thinking twice before voting for Obama again. Watch in 1080p for the full experience.
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These young people call themselves "The Debt Generation".
Have they lost their hope in their dream because of the unsustainable jobless Stimulus debt?
What do you think?
#1 - Mon Dec 5, 2011 6:25 AM ESTI think that President Obama would not be able to convince Tennessee College Rebpublicans of the so-called 'The Debt Generation' of anything because they are dedicated to making him a one-term president as are teapublicons at the local, state, and federal levels.
To that group I share this: the debt crisis is global and a famous head of state, Angela Merkel, observes that it will take years to resolve the crisis. US banks and companies have exposure to the European debt crisis. This country is recovering but very, very slowly: too slow for a variety of reasons not related to the stimulus.
http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1023607.shtml
Collegiate sheeple students who haven't paid attention to the fact that stimulus money provided tax cuts for rank-and-file Americans as well as went to the states that chose to use the stimulus money to shore up 2008 melted down state budgets are easily manipulated into believing and/or knowing that the stimulus failed. Proposed Obama administration entitlement cuts along side taxing the 1% proposals can't gain traction because of teapublicon allegiance to the Norquist no taxes on the 1% pledge. Norquist and teapublicons don't mind if the decreasing middle class gets taxed though. Are those 'Debt Generation' students in the middle class? There is not much thinking on the part of the Tennessee College Republican students: just adherence to teapublicon ideologicial talking points.
These Tennessee Republicans helped elect him in 2008, now they owe their souls to the government.
um, no they didn't. In fact, you might even find a Sarah Palin fan club member or two among them.
Dear Happy,
Did you see + hear these young people who stated they had voted for Obama in 2008?
Sooooo, what were they in 2008 when they voted for Pres Obama...Sheeple? LOL
They stated their votes put him in office and they have now changed their minds, they succinctly state their reasons for changing their minds, the Generation of Debt.
I see and hear the young people involved in the Occupy movement. I see and hear the young people who attend university in states that are attempting to disenfranchise their vote.
Teapublicon students have a radical right to express themselves the same as non-teapublicon students. I encourage non-teapublicon students.
Woodstock=Occupy wall street, thats what all this "movement" reminds me of, Woodstock.
And no, I believe the youth of today are not happy about inheriting billions of dollars.
College republicans are not known for their inteligience, they are not impressive, and they have disturbing outliers like
Ashley Todd , who mutilated her face, carving the letter "B" on it and blaming a gang of black Obama supporters in a racist attempt to affect the outcome of the election. The B was backwards because she did it to herself in a mirror
Lauren Pierce thinks its "tempting" to shoot the president
The Craigslist killer was a college republican.
#2 - Mon Dec 5, 2011 8:02 AM ESTWhat a load of BS you just posted - If i post that young minorities are democrats for the most part - And minorities end up in prison at a significant rate then i guess i can just throw out a blanket statement like you and say all young dems are criminals?
and they have disturbing outliers
BM, do you know what an outlier is?
I've never known a college Republican with any semblance of ethics. As a college Student, I'll vote for Obama for nothing more than getting the @!$%#ing banksters out of the student loan program. Everything else he's done is gravy on top of that, but I suspect that trust fund babies could care less about the difficulties those of us who have to work and be responsible for our college debt have to go through.
Tennessee - LOL. Like a state with a monument to Nathan Bedford Forrest is going to support Obama anyway.
Hey BM , CCArm made the point...now why would you say minorities, and not any plain college democrat? That speaks volumes about your mindset.Try not leading with your jaw next time...
Randy,
Your statement
College republicans are not known for their inteligience, they are not impressive, and they have disturbing outliers like
These college students VOTED for Obama in 2008 + you are stating they are not known for their intelligence and they are not impressive?
What does that say for Obama if those who are not intelligent or impressive put him in office?
Hmmm, in the two major universities located in the City where I live, a straw poll was taken on campus and the results were as follows: Incumbent 68%. That appears to be a lopsided wouldn't you say. By the way, what would influence college students to embrace a Republican candidate based on their performance to date? What plan has been presented that would lead them to believe that the Republicans have answers? As I recall, the issue was jobs jobs jobs. I have heard absolutely nothing, nothing from that side of the aisle. I have heard from G. Norquist. I have heard from Koch Brothers. I have viewed Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Mitt Romney. That speaks for itself.
#3 - Mon Dec 5, 2011 8:20 AM ESTHmmm, in the two major universities located in the City where I live, a straw poll was taken on campus and the results were as follows: Incumbent 68%. That appears to be a lopsided wouldn't you say.
Link below per Gallup. Which I tend to believe is a more accurate reflection of the nations young voter as a whole, than two schools in a city where you live:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/146138/Nameless-Republican-Ties-Obama-2012-Election-Preferences.aspx
Younger voters are one element of Obama's original coalition that may not be intact heading into 2012. Gallup's 2008 pre-election poll found 63% of registered voters aged 18 to 34 choosing Obama, while 33% backed his Republican rival, John McCain. In addition, 53% of 35- to 54-year-old voters and 48% of those 55 and older supported Obama in that same poll. By contrast, today a bare majority of the 18- to 34-year-old group, 51%, and 43% of those 35 to 54 say they would vote to re-elect Obama.
So, once again, I ask you "Why" a young voter would be interested in voting for the cast of Republicans on offer? What program/plan/platform is on offer would you say has been brought to the table to influence my vote? I have heard that the plan/platform is to remove the President. That is not a plan for young or old. Let's review; Ryan Coupon Plan. No revenue increases via taxation. Not recending of corporate welfare. Tax relief for distressed oil companies. 2 unpaid for wars. No serious attempt at healthcare reform. I could go on but that would be mute. Its self evident. So, take Gallup Poll now. Then take the Gallup Poll later. I stand by the results in my own city. It is indicative of the direction of voting patterns. They can change. They can go up. They can go down. However, until such time as something of merit, some plan of action, some direction presented, I'm afraid that all the ballyhoo and rah rah is good for morale but is really just a bit of cheerleading. I would suggest that 51% nationwide is a majority. In 12 months after debates and such, I suggest the local universities will indicate what the final youth tab will represent. Remember, so far all we have to compare is Newt, Mitt, Rick, Michele. These are not electable in their current form.
So, once again, I ask you "Why" a young voter would be interested in voting for the cast of Republicans on offer?
I think it's more about what Obama doesn't offer than it is about what the current GOP crop does offer. More of an "Anybody but Obama" type of mentality.
Most of these young voters were either entering college or part way through when the 2008 election rolled around. They were sold on the "Hope and Change" platform and the promises Obama made. Now...4 years later...they have graduated college, are looking around and see zero jobs while they are up to their eyeballs in debt.
Well, I think you're fishing. I would further state that you are also a proponent of "hope and change" but in another way. As far as students having zero jobs and debt......well, they were always going to debt. The jobs thing is a result of decades of neglect. The older generation always passes its creations on to the younger generation. The issues that face this country cannot be changed with a snap of the fingers. They cannot be solved in 2,4,6 or even 8 years. I'm looking for long term answers. The gap and lack of opportunities between rich and poor in the United States has never been greater? Why? Our educational system pales in comparasion in Europe, Asia, India. Why? Our healthcare system is rated 37th in the world and number 1 in costs. Our military is 6x the next nearest country's. We still manufacture things but less and less. We offer tax breaks for corporations with the deal being they create jobs. Where are those jobs? No jobs, no breaks. So, you don't President Obama and yet you have presented nothing that leads me to believe that the alternative is better. Hope and Change. As long as there is hope, you can count that, sure as night follows day, there will be change. Perhaps the announcement today that Mr. Trump may run as a 3rd party candidate...........well, there's that hope thing happening.
I put forth my opinion...you discount that opinion. Mox nix. We cancel each other out.
Regardless of the reason, reputable polls show that Obama is losing the young voter demographic. Explaining it away won't change that.
The young voter has awakened to the fact that "Hope" isn't a sound economic strategy.
Perhaps, but I believe its better than the alternative. I'm not your enemy. I firmly believe you have an absolute right to your opinion. I also did not intent to offend. So, Pat N, we agree to disagree, fair comment. Have a good day wherever you are. Skip
More of an "Anybody but Obama" type of mentality.
Yeah, because that philosophy works so well in elections - just ask all those Germans who voted "Anybody but Paul Hindenburg" in 1932.
The youth vote is always low and inconsistent. When push comes to shove, the GOP sure as hell isn't going to get the vote - the youth are sick of the racism and bigotry on display by the current GOP candidates. The only one who could capture the youth vote is Ron Paul and there is zero chance the Republican machine will let him be the nominee, so the discussion is moot - Obama will carry the youth vote in 2012.
Yeah, because that philosophy works so well in elections
It's precisely the philosophy dems used in the 2008 elections.
The youth vote is always low and inconsistent. When push comes to shove, the GOP sure as hell isn't going to get the vote
You're right. Young voters have a tendency to pout and stay home rather than exercising their constitutional right to vote. They haven't yet realized that sitting it out is essentially the same as voting for the GOP.
It's precisely the philosophy dems used in the 2008 elections
Not this Democrat. I supported Dennis Kucinich until he dropped out and gave his support to Obama. I voted for Obama in the primaries because I would rather have him than the GOP punching bag that would have been Hillary Clinton - not that she wouldn't make a great president, but we all saw how the right went berserk during Bill's term and I mistakenly thought it would be different with someone else.
Or maybe you misunderstood the "Anyone but the GOP" meme - My family was GOP from Lincoln till they gave into Nixon. There is nobody who votes Republican anymore because the party has fallen off the right side of the political map. Maybe if they want to rejoin the rational humans who make up working America they'll get a vote in the future, but I don't ever see it happening.
Naw guys, I'm gonna have to give President the benefit of the doubt. I'm gonna give him 4 more years. After that, let's take look see. You both know we can't afford Newt, Mitt, Rick, Michele or Ron. They don't have plan nor a platform. I'm starting to get feeling you didn't vote for the President in 2008 and you're not going to vote for him not matter what he says, does, doesn't do and the rest. I'll let the President know he can't call for your vote. Take care, don't let your tea pot boil over.
Dear Pat,
You are correct, the youth vote is no longer with Pres Obama.
Many of them believed him when he stated he would be transparent and when he would not be prey to crony politics, we now know that he has not been transparent and the Solyndra and other green projects losing millions of dollars and the money going to his campaign bundlers proved that.
The young voters have now made their minds up that he is not the man he said he was.
Dear Skip,
I would hope you would not vote for a warm feeling as Chris Mathews put it, up his leg when Obama became Pres.
Our country is more divided than ever, if you put yourself as the one who will bring unification and hands accross the aisle then you have a total failure in both of these during your presidency, it is the president's fault. Pres Clinton made a transition and went central.
This country is not about the President, it is about We the People. We are bigger than one man.
The country does not bow to a President, nor do the other branches of government, he has to work with them. Pres Obama has chose not to get along with the other branches of government. Pres Obama wants to govern on his own, we do not have a king or dictator.
Therese Nelson, I'm a bit baffled. What makes you say that President Obama has aspirations of being King or even dictator? Do you really believe that healthcare reform is a bad idea with or without a mandate? DADT repeal is a bad thing. We blame the President if gas prices go up but never give him credit if they go down. However, why would we congratulate either case. The President dictate gas prices. The Gulf oil spill and how we responded by putting regulations in place until such time as we understood the nature of the disaster is a good thing/bad thing? Would you prefer that our economy subject to a complete meltdown including the auto industry without any action by the government is a good thing/bad thing? Women's right to decide? Good/bad? Tax increases in times of crisis? Good/Bad which is it? I do not believe that President Obama has ever indicated that he had any other desire to be anything more than the President of the United States. Lastly, you cannot connect that which refuses to connect. Now, if the issue is whether we believe that the President has done the best job of all time, well, only time will tell. Do you believe Corporations are people? I don't. Presidents make deals. That's called politics. I acknowledge your rights to your opinion. I have my own. I do not believe Newt Gingrich nor Mitt Romney represent the best interests of all Americans.
In large part, Right Wing Ideology is based on religious beliefs. Not believing in gay rights, no limits on gun ownership and not believing in women's rights is the the 3 main legs to those beliefs. These are the priorities.
In this day and time, it's hard for me to believe that a Majority of young people still Cling to these beliefs. Up until recently a fair number of older people still believed in the Republican party platform but that has changed with republican attacks on social programs benefiting older people. Occupies strongest supporters by age group are people from 50-64.
It's very clear from the actions and votes of Republican members of congress that they strongly support the 1% who have stolen so much from the 99%. This has to come to a stop for the country to survive. Most people including the majority of interested young people are working hard to get it stopped.
#5 - Mon Dec 5, 2011 8:50 AM ESTtt16,
Those who have religion or faith in history have been among the most educated and intelligent in their time.
In the years past, only a small percentage of the masses could read or write. The people of faith were the scribes/monks who brought the education through those years.
Some of the most brilliant people I know of are people of faith.
One of the prominant Physicists is Dr Anthony Rizzi, he expanded Einstein's Theory and an avid reader of St Thomas Acquinas, another genius.
http://www.iapweb.org/director.htm
I think it is curious, without the men and women of faith and the church starting the first schools and colleges our world would be seriously crippled.
There is a huge difference in the mentality of college kids recently or soon to graduate then those entering their freshmen year. The people graduating with monumental debt from education loans are hoping upon hope thatthe government steps in with debt forgiveness. Who wouldn't? On the other hand, a lot more people entering schools now are paying for their basic education courses through a tech school and paying cash while working part time to save for college. A lot of those kids are holding off taking the SAT's until they are ready to enter college. They don't want the school debt, and won't vote for Obama. Guess why?
#6 - Mon Dec 5, 2011 1:10 PM ESTOnce again, which one of the cast of characters do you think appeals to "kids"? Which platform is so appealing? I think at the end of the day, its self evident that "playing the blame game" isn't going to work for you. Did President Obama not inheirit 2 unpaid for wars? Did he not inheirit a huge national debt and a banking crisis? Which President in the recent past has had both fail? So, when you make a "blame game statement" and not an evaluation statement, you are spewing the Party Line. It didn't work then and it won't work now. Students are not naive.
In my humble opinion the fundamental difference is that liberals want and like the entitlement programs. The freebies have no cost huh? Those in favor of government hand outs are the ones receiving them. The conservatives understand that nothing and I mean nothing is free, someone has to pay for it. In the last 2 decades of a booming economy nobody thought twice about taking out a loan for a house, car or education. Now the economy sucks, and the kids entering the work force or higher education are finding that they see the difference. I give these kids credit for understanding the burden of debt they are going to inherit.
Every President inherited a list of problems to deal with. The problem with Obama is that he refuses to rise to the challenge like other's before him did.
Don't accuse someone of spewing Party Line statements when you have just done so yourself.
Did President Obama not inheirit 2 unpaid for wars? Did he not inheirit a huge national debt and a banking crisis?
So it's your contention that no other previous POTUS "inherited" anything from the guy who held office before him? What's so special about Obama that we should give him a pass? Especially when he applied for the position, stating unequivocally that he could "change things" and even said that if he didn't turn it around in three years, he should be a one term president?
Here is just a brief list of things Obama has blamed for his lack of success:
The Tea Party
Political gridlock
ATM machines
Republicans
Paul Ryan
Eric Cantor
John Boehner
The Tsunami in Japan
Greece
Italy
Too little government spending (no really, he did say this.)
Too few taxes
The debt debate
George W. Bush
Standard and Poor's
Wealthy people who want to keep what they earned
Oil companies
Ireland
Slurpees
Portugal
The War in Iraq
The War in Afghanistan
The heat wave in the midwest
Health care costs
A lack of government subsidized green energy
Math errors
Corporate jet owners
The Gulf oil spill
Millionaires and billionaires
Rich fat cats
Wall Street
Hedge fund managers
Some car that can't get out of the ditch
The debt limit
Congress and their resistance to spending more on stimulus programs
Vacationing in Las Vegas
Since we don't know how things would have turned out without Obama we can't say there is a lack of success. With the deep depression Bush left us in, these last 3 years could be the most successful 3 years in the history of the country. Unemployment has started back down and we've identified the 1%, what party supports them and what they are doing to the country. Destroying the middle class went pretty much unchecked during 20 of the previous 28 years prior to Obama starting with Trickle Down Economics.
Dear Pat N,
Yes, bravo! Your list is quite extensive and impressive!
Which means that our president has failed US and blames everyone for his lack of leadership and allowing US to grow.
He has spent US into unsustainable debt, his friends and crony Dem Rep Barney Frank with his boyfriend saying Fannie and Freddie were viable caused the whole close of our housing infrastructure.
The Solyndra scandal and incessant spending is egregious.
We need someone who knows how to govern, not how to cause our sovereignty to be threatened by debt.
"Since we don't know how things would have turned out without Obama we can't say there is a lack of success."
What?!!
#7 - Mon Dec 5, 2011 3:53 PM ESTThe actual Economic Numbers do not back up the opinion that Obama has not been successful. In my opinion, if we had elected McCain, things would be a thousand times worse than they are now. But it's only speculation and an opinion.
So Obama's success, in your opinion, is based on speculation that someone could have been worse. Are you kidding me?
No, the facts say that Obama has been successful and opinions mean nothing. Only the facts and statistics matter.
I voted you up for trying. So now lets take a comparison. President Carter's approval ratings were higher than President Obama's in the same point in his career in his Presidency, does that mean President Carter was a success?
"The actual Economic Numbers do not back up the opinion that Obama has not been successful."
"Only the facts and statistics matter."
You seem to be contradicting yourself.
Dear Runner99,
I agree, President Obama stated if he does not fix the economy in three years he should be a one term president. I agree.
Pres Obama stated if we do not like how he governs, that is what elections are for.
President Obama stated that the buck stops with him, yes, and he has failed.
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