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Poll: Vice President states "the Taliban per se is not our enemy." Do you agree with our Dem VP Biden?

Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:08 PM EST
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By Therese Nelson

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VP Biden stated "the Taliban is not our enemy", is this accurate for US?

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  • 171382
    No, this is an afront to our military + Veterans who fought these enemies.
    52%
  • 171383
    Yes, the Taliban are not our enemies, this is correct and the soldiers + Veterans are wrong.
    48%

VoteTotal Votes: 106

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In an interview with Newsweek/The Daily Beast, Vice President made a statement "the Taliban per se is not our enemy."

This was not well received by our soldiers on Social Networks like Facebook and Twitter. Articles stated our military and Veterans were not very happy to hear this.

What do you think of this statement of our Vice President?

Is it good for our national security?

Is it accurate, are the Taliban really not our "enemy"? 

 

Article links

 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/soldiers-react-to-bidens-taliban-is-not-our-enem

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2076564/Taliban-enemy-says-Joe-Biden-US-negotiate-deal-end-Afghanistan-war.html

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Therese Nelson

This was not well received by our soldiers on Social Networks like Facebook and Twitter. Articles stated our military and Veterans were not very happy to hear this.

The Taliban are Terrorists, is this public statement compromising our National Security?

Was VP Biden correct stating that these Terrorists, the Taliban, are not really our enemy?

What do you think?

  • 9 votes
#1 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:13 PM EST
robynlewisTX.

Maybe Biden needs to take a trip to the middle east and see up close if they're is enemy or not.

  • 21 votes
#1.1 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:52 PM EST
GaryColumbus

Small and closed minds breeds massive Tea Party ignorance. Soldiers and veterans do have reason to be upset bringing up any topic so near to their tolerance trigger. Do we as a nation still hate Japs or Gooks? (Please excuse the derogatory terms. Just making a point.) Do you want internment, concentration and or extermination camps? We as a nation hate communists but we sure as hell kiss China's communist a$$. We still do hate Nazis unfortunately many of our own politicians (righties say Dems I say Repubs) act like their from the Reich. Think our own Native American Indians have forgiven US for what we're doing to their land? Biden might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but he's trying to get US to turn the page and move on but the Tea Party just has to find something to antagonize our veterans by harping on this small comment and making it a cheap little twist to their usual bullsh1t!!!

  • 28 votes
#1.2 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:05 PM EST
Buono Cane

The Taliban are fundamentalist Muslims. We invaded their country because we were after Al Qaeda.

It would be like China, invading America because Christian Fundamentalists support illegal, ill conceived, and poorly executed wars, in fact terrorism in other countries.

What do you do with a huge, costly, and wasteful military, you make up things and reasons to attack others.

Why are people so easy to fool?

  • 18 votes
#1.3 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:02 PM EST
SpoxLogic

Maybe Biden needs to take a trip to the middle east and see up close if they're is enemy or not.

robynlewisTX, you need to go read up on your georgraphy. The Taliban are NOT in the Middle East. So your argument is not so good.

  • 17 votes
#1.4 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:14 PM EST
Buono Cane

LOL, take a trip to the middle east, I wonder how many times the VP has travelled outside the country?

How about you robyn in texas, how many times have you travelled there, or anywhere for that matter.

But you see that is the beauty of bigotry, everybody is the enemy, doesn't matter if the people are decent, hardworking, and love their god. It only matters that they aren't like us.

Or they're is aren't not uh, like, uh oh nevermind

  • 7 votes
#1.5 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:18 PM EST
hard2port

Poor guy obviously got the taliban confused with the tea party/teavangelicals when terrorism was mentioned.

  • 5 votes
#1.6 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:37 PM EST
bacon n eggs

I think this is another conservative who purposely leaves out the "per se" after the quote.

Was VP Biden correct stating that these Terrorists, the Taliban, are not really our enemy?

He didnt say that and you know it.

do you understand what per se means Theresa?

By or in itself or themselves.

' Biden is right. The Taliban are not the only enemy but Conservatives are always looking to spread more lies. Shows what you're truly made of and it's u-g-l-y!

You know, if you right wingers are really so righteous , why all the twists , lies of omission and out right lies to smear?

You've proven that the Conservatives have no honor and are anything but righteous.

  • 20 votes
#1.7 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:45 PM EST
bacon n eggs

I wonder how many times the VP has travelled outside the country?

http://www.usnews.com/news/campaign-2008/articles/2008/08/25/biden-brings-long-foreign-policy-experience-to-obamas-presidential-bid

He knows far more than you.

  • 11 votes
#1.8 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:51 PM EST
backroads

I recall reading where Hairpiece thought selling weapons to the mullahs was a good idea. His staff had to tell him we didn't do that.

  • 5 votes
#1.9 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:56 PM EST
bondibox

Q&A with White House spokesman Jay Carney.

I think it’s important -- I know you’ve written about this -- to understand what most Americans I think know, which is that we didn't invade Afghanistan, we did not send U.S. military personnel into Afghanistan because the Taliban were in power. They had been in power. We went into Afghanistan because al Qaeda had launched an attack against the United States from Afghanistan.

And what the Vice President was reflecting is that -- and this is related to the reconciliation process that I was just discussing -- is that the Taliban, per se -- while we are fighting them, it is not the elimination -- the elimination of the Taliban is not the issue here. The objective that the President laid out when he laid out his Afghanistan strategy made clear that the number-one principle here is to defeat, dismantle -- or disrupt, dismantle and ultimately defeat al Qaeda, as well as help stabilize Afghanistan. And that’s what we’re doing.

  • 10 votes
#1.10 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:07 PM EST
gmross

The Taliban gained power in Afghanistan after the Russians were run out of the country, Al-Qaeda came in as refugees because they had been run out of every other Arab country including Iran. The Taliban needed Al-Qaeda's money to finance their government and so they accepted them, before they knew what was happening Al-Qaeda had taken a large part of the country over and were calling the shots, then Al-Qaeda screwed up and attacked the U.S. on 911 and that is when the Taliban had had enough of them. The Taliban offered to give President Bush a present, which he refused, they offered up Osama Bin Laden on a platter, if Bush would keep the troops out of Afghanistan.

  • 6 votes
#1.11 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:55 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Gee, I am oh sooo glad we have Jay Carney and Robert Gibbs to tell us what Biden and Obama "meant" to say, because it's really hard to understand with their FOOT in their collective MOUTHS!

  • 8 votes
#1.12 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:05 AM EST
Therese Nelson

Dear vol,

LOL, Yeah, the Gaffe of this "Joker" VP Biden has come back to haunt the Dems and President Obama.

I think our troops + soldiers know better who the enemy is?

How absurd.

What caused 9/11 was the Taliban!

  • 8 votes
#1.13 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:37 AM EST
Therese Nelson

This is significant, the Vice President states publicly that those, the Taliban who was responsible for 9/11/2001 is not our enemy?

This when our battered soldiers are coming home?

To support and defend this comment is beyond reason.

I have heard Dems at total disgust with VP Biden, they want him off the 2012 ticket.

Our troops and soldiers deserve better than this Gaffe Joker.

So do we the people.

  • 7 votes
#1.14 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:42 AM EST
Therese Nelson

Here are some facts about the enemy, the Taliban and their responsibility of attacking US in 2001, 9/11.

Article in part + link

Defiant Taliban accuse U.S. of crimes as Americans mark 9/11

The Taliban have accused the United States of killing tens of thousands of Afghans and brutally torturing others in a defiant statement marking the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks against the United States.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-10/world/afghanistan.taliban.911_1_terror-attacks-afghanistan-for-several-years-afghanistan-s-pashtun?_s=PM:WORLD

  • 6 votes
#1.15 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:49 AM EST
Therese Nelson

VP Biden does not know the facts, we the people + our soldiers need better than this man who jokes and states absurdity.

Article in part and link

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html

The Taliban regime faced international scrutiny and condemnation for its policies. Only Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the United Arab Emirates recognized the Taliban as Afghanistan's legitimate government. After the September 11, 2001, terrorist attack on the U.S., Saudi Arabia and the UAE cut diplomatic ties with the Taliban.

The Taliban allowed terrorist organizations to run training camps in their territory and, from 1994 to at least 2001, provided refuge for Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda organization. The relationship between the Taliban and bin Laden was close, even familial—bin Laden fought with the mujahideen, has financed the Taliban, and one of his daughters is reportedly married to Mullah Muhammad Omar. The United Nations Security Council passed two resolutions, UNSCR 1267 (1999) and 1333 (2000), demanding that the Taliban cease their support for terrorism and hand over bin Laden for trial.

The Taliban recognized the need for international ties but wavered between cooperation—they claimed to have drastically cut opium production in July 2000—and defiance—they pointedly ignored international pleas not to destroy the 2000-year-old Buddhist statues of Bamian. However, they made no effort to curb terrorist activity within Afghanistan, a policy that ultimately led to their undoing.

Even after their ouster, the Taliban's brand of Islamist radicalism threatens to destabilize other countries in the region including Iran, China, Uzbekistan, and Pakistan. The Taliban's relationship with Pakistan is especially problematic. A high percentage of the Taliban are ethnic Pashtuns; Pashtuns are a sizable minority in Pakistan and dominate the Pakistani military. Public support for the Taliban runs very high in the Pashtun North-West Frontier province where pro-Taliban groups have held uprisings and sought to emulate Taliban practices by performing public executions and oppressing women.

Read more: The Taliban — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html#ixzz1h9OZEDoz

  • 7 votes
#1.16 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:07 AM EST
Therese Nelson

Prior to the group's ouster in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, the Taliban's main supporters were Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Along with the United Arab Emirates, they were the only countries to recognize Taliban-led Afghanistan. During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan cooperated in efforts by the CIA to arm the anti-Communist mujahadeen. After the Soviet withdrawal, Afghanistan ceased to be a priority for U.S. strategists, but Saudi Arabia and Pakistan continued their support. Involvement in Afghanistan served a strategic interest for Pakistan, which also has a large ethnic Pashtun population, and appealed to the conservative Wahhabi Muslims who hold substantial political clout in Saudi Arabia. Pakistan also supported the Taliban in its quest for "strategic depth" in Afghanistan in order to balance its foremost rival, India. After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia became partners in the U.S.-led "war on terrorism" and halted their official support of the Taliban.

http://www.cfr.org/afghanistan/taliban-afghanistan/p10551

  • 7 votes
#1.17 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:10 AM EST
bondibox

I guess this article is all fine and well if you don't know the difference between the Taliban and Al-Quaeda. Even George W. Bush knew the difference:

The leadership of Al Qaida has great influence in Afghanistan and supports the Taliban regime in controlling most of that country.

Yes the Taliban is repressive, oppressive, sharia law based and an organized opium farming community.

It's like you're saying we should be at war with Palestine because Hamas overwhelmingly won the parliament elections. Or is that too much nuance for you?

  • 13 votes
#1.18 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:52 AM EST
tesla013

The Taliban are brutal barbarians who wish to live in another age. One can see here that hypocrisy is simply a way of life with some.

  • 7 votes
#1.19 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:03 AM EST
L'EMPEREUR du POLE NORD

Therese Nelson

What caused 9/11 was the Taliban!

WRONG, it was Al-Queda, big difference. Are you lying or just ill-informed?

Try not watching Faux News.

  • 11 votes
#1.20 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:04 AM EST
Coral Atlas

The Taliban is Afghanistans problem not ours - Al-Queda is our problem and we should pack up and leave Afghanistan according to OUR Presidents exit strategy.

Joe Biden is just telling it like it is - we're not going to fight Afghanistan's civil war with the Taliban for them!

Nelson you are purposely being misleading or are mislead - either way the vast majority of Americans don't want our nation to fight Afghanistan's civil war. We want the hell out of there - and at least OUR President has us on a track with an end game! not an endless game!

The VP is merely putting us on notice - and allowing the hawks like you to come out of the woodwork and flap their wings! ;-)

Just the military - industrial complex making a lot of noise and using the GOTP'ers as their surrogate!

  • 8 votes
#1.21 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:52 AM EST
hard2port

VP Biden has more foreign policy expertise than the entire combined Teapublican clown-car. The taliban is just an Afghan version of the tea party/teavangelicals. Ultra-conservative religious wackos that want laws for everyone based upon the rigid beliefs of the minority. Sound familiar?

  • 6 votes
#1.22 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:18 PM EST
tesla013

Yes 2port reminds me of the liberals who among other things wish to decide for me what I can eat, what I may celebrate, where I may celebrate it, in what manner that celebration may be expressed, how I might greet others on a given day......

  • 2 votes
#1.23 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:23 PM EST
hard2port

#1.23 - Your space ends where mine begins. Live in whatever century you're most comfortable, but you can't expect to hold everyone else back there with you. And I do have a few sugestions on what you should eat and where to go eat it, but I only give out advice when I'm asked.

  • 6 votes
#1.24 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:36 PM EST
tesla013

Yet here you are handing out advice based wholly upon the assumption I am some right winged person. There never have been any good ole days 2port to live in only days that can be both good and bad even on the same day! The problem with your space argument is liberals wish to re-define what constitutes my space as well.

  • 3 votes
#1.25 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:45 PM EST
CCArm

What caused 9/11 was the Taliban!

What an idiot remark. What a completely, fact less, brain dead remark!!

The entire mob of terrorists that attacked us on 9/11 were Arab and none, I repeat NONE of them were Taliban!!!

I hate this misinformation so much that I am putting everyone on this seed that agrees with Theresa on ignore.

  • 7 votes
#1.26 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:33 PM EST
bondibox

liberals who among other things wish to decide for me what I can eat,

Yeah, that damned FDA always recalling listeria laced meat, salmonella tainted peanut butter, and melamine fortified candy bars. I agree, you should be free to eat those things.

  • 7 votes
#1.27 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:57 PM EST
Therese Nelson

+http://www.cfr.org/india/india-afghanistan-relations/p17474#p3

  • 1 vote
#1.28 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:55 PM EST
Therese Nelson

This is pictures of Taliban Terrorists and also information of Taliban and 9/11/2001

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html

The Taliban ("Students of Islamic Knowledge Movement") ruled Afghanistan from 1996 until 2001. They came to power during Afghanistan's long civil war. Although they managed to hold 90% of the country's territory, their policies—including their treatment of women and support of terrorists—ostracized them from the world community. The Taliban was ousted from power in December 2001 by the U.S. military and Afghani opposition forces in response to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attack on the U.S.

Read more: The Taliban — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html#ixzz1hI2QiOBp

The Taliban are one of the mujahideen ("holy warriors" or "freedom fighters") groups that formed during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (1979-89). After the withdrawal of Soviet forces, the Soviet-backed government lost ground to the mujahideen. In 1992, Kabul was captured and an alliance of mujahideen set up a new government with Burhanuddin Rabbani as interim president. However, the various factions were unable to cooperate and fell to fighting each other. Afghanistan was reduced to a collection of territories held by competing warlords.

Groups of taliban ("religious students") were loosely organized on a regional basis during the occupation and civil war. Although they represented a potentially huge force, they didn't emerge as a united entity until the taliban of Kandahar made their move in 1994. In late 1994, a group of well-trained taliban were chosen by Pakistan to protect a convoy trying to open a trade route from Pakistan to Central Asia. They proved an able force, fighting off rival mujahideen and warlords. The taliban then went on to take the city of Kandahar, beginning a surprising advance that ended with their capture of Kabul in September 1996.

Read more: The Taliban — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html#ixzz1hI2v2xwO

The Taliban, under the direction of Mullah Muhammad Omar, brought about this order through the institution of a very strict interpretation of Sharia, or Islamic law. Public executions and punishments (such as floggings) became regular events at Afghan soccer stadiums. Frivolous activities, like kite-flying, were outlawed. In order to root out "non-Islamic" influence, television, music, and the Internet were banned. Men were required to wear beards, and subjected to beatings if they didn't.

Most shocking to the West was the Taliban's treatment of women. When the Taliban took Kabul, they immediately forbade girls to go to school. Moreover, women were barred from working outside the home, precipitating a crisis in healthcare and education. Women were also prohibited from leaving their home without a male relative—those that did so risked being beaten, even shot, by officers of the "ministry for the protection of virtue and prevention of vice." A woman caught wearing fingernail polish may have had her fingertips chopped off. All this, according to the Taliban, was to safeguard women and their honor.

In contrast to their strict beliefs, the Taliban profited from smuggling operations (primarily electronics) and opium cultivation. Eventually they bowed to international pressure and cracked down on cultivation and by July 2000 were able to claim that they had cut world opium production by two-thirds. Unfortunately, the crackdown on opium also abruptly deprived thousands of Afghans of their only source of income.

Although the Taliban managed to re-unite most of Afghanistan, they were unable to end the civil war. Nor did they improve the conditions in cities, where access to food, clean water, and employment actually declined during their rule. A continuing drought and a very harsh winter (2000–2001) brought famine and increased the flow of refugees to Pakistan.

Read more: The Taliban — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html#ixzz1hI3RSaT3

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Who Are the Taliban?

Their history and their resurgence

by Laura Hayes, Borgna Brunner, and Beth Rowen

For more on the Taliban see Timeline: The Taliban.

The Taliban ("Students of Islamic Knowledge Movement") ruled Afghanistan from 1996 until 2001. They came to power during Afghanistan's long civil war. Although they managed to hold 90% of the country's territory, their policies—including their treatment of women and support of terrorists—ostracized them from the world community. The Taliban was ousted from power in December 2001 by the U.S. military and Afghani opposition forces in response to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attack on the U.S.

Related Links

Infoplease Atlas: Afghanistan

Timeline: The Taliban

Who's Who In Afghanistan

Afghanistan Primer

Profile: Afghanistan

Afghan War

September 11: People in the News

Remembering September 11

Osama bin Laden

Al-Qaeda

International Terrorism

The Taliban's rise to power

The Taliban are one of the mujahideen ("holy warriors" or "freedom fighters") groups that formed during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (1979-89). After the withdrawal of Soviet forces, the Soviet-backed government lost ground to the mujahideen. In 1992, Kabul was captured and an alliance of mujahideen set up a new government with Burhanuddin Rabbani as interim president. However, the various factions were unable to cooperate and fell to fighting each other. Afghanistan was reduced to a collection of territories held by competing warlords.

Groups of taliban ("religious students") were loosely organized on a regional basis during the occupation and civil war. Although they represented a potentially huge force, they didn't emerge as a united entity until the taliban of Kandahar made their move in 1994. In late 1994, a group of well-trained taliban were chosen by Pakistan to protect a convoy trying to open a trade route from Pakistan to Central Asia. They proved an able force, fighting off rival mujahideen and warlords. The taliban then went on to take the city of Kandahar, beginning a surprising advance that ended with their capture of Kabul in September 1996.

Afghanistan under the Taliban

The Taliban's popularity with the Afghan people surprised the country's other warring factions. Many Afghans, weary of conflict and anarchy, were relieved to see corrupt and often brutal warlords replaced by the devout Taliban, who had some success in eliminating corruption, restoring peace, and allowing commerce to resume.

If a man fears death, he will accept fever.
—Afghan proverb

The Taliban, under the direction of Mullah Muhammad Omar, brought about this order through the institution of a very strict interpretation of Sharia, or Islamic law. Public executions and punishments (such as floggings) became regular events at Afghan soccer stadiums. Frivolous activities, like kite-flying, were outlawed. In order to root out "non-Islamic" influence, television, music, and the Internet were banned. Men were required to wear beards, and subjected to beatings if they didn't.

Most shocking to the West was the Taliban's treatment of women. When the Taliban took Kabul, they immediately forbade girls to go to school. Moreover, women were barred from working outside the home, precipitating a crisis in healthcare and education. Women were also prohibited from leaving their home without a male relative—those that did so risked being beaten, even shot, by officers of the "ministry for the protection of virtue and prevention of vice." A woman caught wearing fingernail polish may have had her fingertips chopped off. All this, according to the Taliban, was to safeguard women and their honor.

In contrast to their strict beliefs, the Taliban profited from smuggling operations (primarily electronics) and opium cultivation. Eventually they bowed to international pressure and cracked down on cultivation and by July 2000 were able to claim that they had cut world opium production by two-thirds. Unfortunately, the crackdown on opium also abruptly deprived thousands of Afghans of their only source of income.

Although the Taliban managed to re-unite most of Afghanistan, they were unable to end the civil war. Nor did they improve the conditions in cities, where access to food, clean water, and employment actually declined during their rule. A continuing drought and a very harsh winter (2000–2001) brought famine and increased the flow of refugees to Pakistan.

Taliban ambassador to Pakistan Abdul Salam Zaeef seated in front of Taliban militia members. Source/AP Photos

Cultural and religious basis for the Taliban

In the context of Afghan history, the rise of the Taliban—though not their extremism—is unsurprising. Afghanistan is a devoutly Muslim nation—90% of its population are Sunni Muslims (other Afghan Muslims are Sufis or Shiites). Religious schools were established in Afghanistan after Islam arrived in the seventh century and taliban became an important part of the social fabric: running schools, mosques, shrines, and various religious and social services, and serving as mujahideen when necessary.

Most of the Taliban's leaders were educated in Pakistan, in refugee camps where they had fled with millions of other Afghans after the Soviet invasion. Pakistan's Jami'at-e 'Ulema-e Islam (JUI) political party provided welfare services, education, and military training for refugees in many of these camps. They also established religious schools in the Deobandi tradition.

The Deobandi tradition originated as a reform movement in British India with the aim of rejuvenating Islamic society in a colonial state, and remained prevalent in Pakistan after the partition from India. The Deobandi schools in Afghan refugee camps, however, are often run by inexperienced and semi-literate mullahs. In addition, funds and scholarships provided by Saudi Arabia during the occupation brought the schools' curricula closer to the conservative Wahhabi tradition. Ties between the Taliban and these schools remain strong: when the Taliban were defeated in the city of Mazar-i-Sharif one of Pakistan's largest religious schools shut down for a month and sent thousands of students to Afghanistan as reinforcements.

While the Taliban present themselves as a reform movement, they have been criticized by Islamic scholars as being poorly educated in Islamic law and history—even in Islamic radicalism, which has a long history of scholarly writing and debate. Their implementation of Islamic law seems to be a combination of Wahhabi orthodoxy (i.e., banning of musical instruments) and tribal custom (i.e., the all-covering birka made mandatory for all Afghan women).

The opposition

Afghanistan's civil war continued until the end of 2001. The Taliban's strongest opposition came from the Northern Alliance, which held the Northeast corner of the country (about 10% of Afghanistan). The Northern Alliance comprises numerous anti-Taliban factions and is nominally led by exiled president Burhanuddin Rabbani. Generally, the factions break down according to religion and ethnicity. While the Taliban is made up mostly Sunni Muslim Pashtuns (also referred to as Pathans), the Northern Alliance includes Tajiks, Hazara, Uzbeks, and Turkmen. The Hazara, and some other smaller ethnic groups, are Shiites. The Ismaili community, which suffered in Taliban-occupied areas, also supports the Northern Alliance.

Although the Taliban called for a negotiated end to the civil war, they continued to mount new offensives. In September 2001, the leader of the Northern Alliance, Commander Ahmad Shah Massoud, died from wounds suffered in a suicide bombing, allegedly carried out by al-Qaeda, a terrorist organization with close ties to the Taliban.

The Taliban against the world

The Taliban regime faced international scrutiny and condemnation for its policies. Only Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the United Arab Emirates recognized the Taliban as Afghanistan's legitimate government. After the September 11, 2001, terrorist attack on the U.S., Saudi Arabia and the UAE cut diplomatic ties with the Taliban.

The Taliban allowed terrorist organizations to run training camps in their territory and, from 1994 to at least 2001, provided refuge for Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda organization. The relationship between the Taliban and bin Laden was close, even familial—bin Laden fought with the mujahideen, has financed the Taliban, and one of his daughters is reportedly married to Mullah Muhammad Omar. The United Nations Security Council passed two resolutions, UNSCR 1267 (1999) and 1333 (2000), demanding that the Taliban cease their support for terrorism and hand over bin Laden for trial.

The Taliban recognized the need for international ties but wavered between cooperation—they claimed to have drastically cut opium production in July 2000—and defiance—they pointedly ignored international pleas not to destroy the 2000-year-old Buddhist statues of Bamian. However, they made no effort to curb terrorist activity within Afghanistan, a policy that ultimately led to their undoing.

Even after their ouster, the Taliban's brand of Islamist radicalism threatens to destabilize other countries in the region including Iran, China, Uzbekistan, and Pakistan. The Taliban's relationship with Pakistan is especially problematic. A high percentage of the Taliban are ethnic Pashtuns; Pashtuns are a sizable minority in Pakistan and dominate the Pakistani military. Public support for the Taliban runs very high in the Pashtun North-West Frontier province where pro-Taliban groups have held uprisings and sought to emulate Taliban practices by performing public executions and oppressing women.

The end of the Taliban?

In September, 2001, the U.S. placed significant pressure on the Taliban to turn over bin Laden and al-Qaeda in response to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. On October 7, after the Taliban refused to give up bin Laden, the U.S. began bombing Taliban military sites and aiding the Northern Alliance. By November 21, the Taliban had lost Kabul and by December 9 had been completely routed.

An interim government was agreed upon by representatives of Afghanistan's various factions during talks held in Bonn, Germany. On December 22, 2001, Hamid Karzai, an Afghan tribal leader, was sworn in as interim chairman of the government. Karzai initially supported the Taliban and is respected by many former Taliban leaders. In January 2002, the Taliban recognized the interim government.

The Taliban's Resurgence

While many of the Taliban's most radical leaders and supporters were killed, taken prisoner, or fled the country, many former Taliban returned to their homes and continue to work for the Taliban's goals. The Taliban leader, Mullah Omar, has continued to elude capture.

In 2003, after the United States shifted its military efforts to fighting the war in Iraq, attacks on American-led forces intensified as the Taliban and al-Qaeda began to regroup. President Hamid Karzai's hold on power remained tenuous, as entrenched warlords continued to exert regional control. Remarkably, however, Afghanistan's first democratic presidential elections in Oct. 2004 were a success. Ten million Afghans, more than a third of the country, registered to vote, including more than 40% of eligible women. Despite the Taliban's threats to kill anyone who participated, the polls were reasonably peaceful and the elections deemed fair by international observers.

In 2005 and 2006, the Taliban continued its resurgence, and 2006 became the deadliest year of fighting since the 2001 war. Throughout the spring, Taliban militants infiltrated southern Afghanistan, terrorizing villagers and attacking Afghan and U.S. troops. In May and June, Operation Mount Thrust was launched, deploying more than 10,000 Afghan and coalition forces to the south. In Aug. 2006, NATO troops took over military operations in southern Afghanistan from the U.S.-led coalition, which put a total of 21,000 American troops and 19,000 NATO troops on the ground. In September NATO launched the largest attack in its 57-year history. About 2,000—the vast majority Taliban fighters—were killed in military operations during the year.

In September 2006, Pakistan's president Pervez Musharraf signed a controversial peace agreement with seven militant groups, who call themselves the "Pakistan Taliban." Pakistan's army agreed to withdraw from the area and allow the Taliban to govern themselves, as long as they promise no incursions into Afghanistan or against Pakistani troops. Critics say the deal handed terrorists a secure base of operations; supporters counter that a military solution against the Taliban is futile and will only spawn more militants, contending that containment is the only practical policy.

The Taliban rescinded the cease-fire in July 2007 after clashes between government troops and radical Islamist clerics and students at Islamabad's Red Mosque. After the initial violence, the military laid seige to the mosque, which held nearly 2,000 students. Several students escaped or surrendered to officials. The mosque's senior cleric, Maulana Abdul Aziz was caught by officials when attempting to escape. After negotiations between government officials and mosque leaders failed, troops stormed the compound and killed Abdul Rashid Ghazi, who took over as chief of the mosque after the capture of Aziz, his brother. More than 80 people died in the violence. Fighting in remote tribal areas intensified after the raid.

In 2008, after more than five years as Afghanistan's leader, President Hamid Karzai still has only marginal control over large swaths of his country, which is rife with warlords, militants, and drug smugglers. The Taliban now funds its insurgency through the drug trade. An August 2007 report by the United Nations found that Afghanistan's opium production doubled in two years and that the country supplies 93% of the world's heroin.

In February 2008, U.S. Secretary of State Robert Gates warned NATO members that the threat of an al-Qaeda attack on their soil is real and that they must commit more troops to stabilize Afghanistan and counter the growing power of both al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

In August 2008, the Pakistani military launched a three-week-long cross-border air assault into Afghanistan's Bajaur region, which resulted in more than 400 Taliban casualties. The continuous airstrikes forced many al-Qaeda and Taliban militants to retreat from towns formally under their control. However, the Pakistani government declared a cease-fire in the Bajaur region for the month of September in observance of Ramadan, raising fears that the Taliban will use the opportunity to regroup.

Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of the Taliban in Pakistan, was killed by a C.I.A. drone strike in August 2009 in South Waziristan, a remote region of the country. He was blamed for the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, the terrorist attack on the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, and dozens of other suicide bombings. Despite his death, the Taliban continued its resurgence in both Afghanistan and Pakistan in 2009. In fact, the Taliban was blamed for the violence that led up to August's presidential election in Afghanistan, an apparent attempt to disrupt the elections and further destabilize the country.

Leading members of the Taliban, President Karzai, and his advisors met in October to negotiate an end to the 9-year war. The Taliban leaders, whose identities were kept secret in order to prevent rival Taliban leaders from harming or killing them, were led to the meetings from their safe havens in Pakistan by NATO troops. One of the Taliban leaders was believed to have been Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour, the group's second in command. However, it was revealed in November that the person posing as Mansour was an imposter who duped Karzai and NATO officials.


  • 2 votes
#1.29 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:41 PM EST
Therese Nelson

http://www.cfr.org/afghanistan/taliban-afghanistan/p10551

Prior to the group's ouster in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, the Taliban's main supporters were Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Along with the United Arab Emirates, they were the only countries to recognize Taliban-led Afghanistan. During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan cooperated in efforts by the CIA to arm the anti-Communist mujahadeen. After the Soviet withdrawal, Afghanistan ceased to be a priority for U.S. strategists, but Saudi Arabia and Pakistan continued their support. Involvement in Afghanistan served a strategic interest for Pakistan, which also has a large ethnic Pashtun population, and appealed to the conservative Wahhabi Muslims who hold substantial political clout in Saudi Arabia. Pakistan also supported the Taliban in its quest for "strategic depth" in Afghanistan in order to balance its foremost rival, India. After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia became partners in the U.S.-led "war on terrorism" and halted their official support of the Taliban.

  • 2 votes
#1.30 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:50 PM EST
Therese Nelson

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2010/0902/Pakistani-Taliban-designated-a-terrorist-group-by-US
Pakistani Taliban designated a terrorist group by US

Listing the Pakistani Taliban as a terrorist group lets the US expand its campaign against the organization, which said it trained the attempted Times Square bomber and has vowed more attacks in the US.

A Pakistani security officer stands guard at the site of a suicide bombing in Yakaghund in Pakistani tribal area of Mohmand on July 9. A suicide bomber on a motorcycle struck outside a government office that day in a tribal region where Pakistan's army has fought the Pakistani Taliban, now designated as a terrorist group by the US.

  • 3 votes
#1.31 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:56 PM EST
tesla013

bondibox your comment made my 11yr old laugh. Need I say more?

  • 1 vote
#1.32 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:59 PM EST
Therese Nelson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

After the attacks of September 11, 2001 the Taliban was overthrown by Operation Enduring Freedom. Later it regrouped as an insurgency movement to fight the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (established in late 2001) and the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF).[20] It uses Terrorism as a specific tactic to further its ideological and political goals.[21] Today the Taliban operate in Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan. Apart from inside Afghanistan, US and Afghan senior officials say one of their headquarters is in or near Quetta, Pakistan.[22] The Taliban engage in attacks against the civilian population. According to a report by the United Nations, the Taliban were responsible for 2,477 civilian casualties (76 percent of all casualties) in the first six months of 2010.[23]

  • 2 votes
#1.33 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:00 PM EST
Therese Nelson

From 1995-2001, Pakistan is widely alleged by the international community to have provided support to the Taliban in their rise to power and fight against anti-Taliban forces,[11] [12][13][14] though Pakistan vigorously denies it.[15][16][13] Al Qaeda also supported the Taliban with regiments of imported fighters from Arab countries and Central Asia.[17][18] In the late period of the war, of an estimated 45,000 force fighting on the side of the Taliban, only 14,000 were Afghans.[17][19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

  • 2 votes
#1.34 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:03 PM EST
hard2port

Information regarding who the largest funder and arms supplier to the taliban was in the 80's is missing. Why is that? And keeping women barefoot, pregnant, and ignorant seems to be a common goal of religious extremists everywhere.

  • 2 votes
#1.35 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:06 PM EST
Therese Nelson

http://www.ecu.edu/cs-lib/govdoc/afghanistan.cfm

The War on Terrorism: Afghanistan and the Taliban

  • 2 votes
#1.36 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:08 PM EST
Therese Nelson

GOVERNMENT SITE ON COUNTERTERRORISM

THE NATIONAL COUNTERTERTERRORISM CALENDAR 2011

http://www.nctc.gov/site/groups/taliban.html

The Taliban is a Sunni Islamist nationalist and pro-Pashtun movement founded in the early 1990s that ruled most of Afghanistan from 1996 until October 2001. The movement’s founding nucleus—the word “Taliban” is Pashto for “students”—was composed of peasant farmers and men studying Islam in Afghan and Pakistani madrasas, or religious schools. The Taliban found a foothold and consolidated their strength in southern Afghanistan.

By 1994, the Taliban had quickly captured province after province from various armed factions fighting a civil war that ensued after the Soviet-backed Afghan government fell in 1992. By September 1996, the Taliban had captured Kabul, killed the country’s president, and established the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. The Taliban’s first move was to institute a strict interpretation of Qur‘anic instruction and jurisprudence. In practice, this meant often merciless policies on the treatment of women, political opponents of any stripe, and religious minorities.

In the years leading up to the 11 September 2001 attack in the United States, the Taliban provided a safehaven for al-Qa‘ida. This gave al-Qa‘ida a base in which it could freely recruit, train, and deploy terrorists to other countries. The Taliban held sway in Afghanistan until October 2001, when they were routed from power by the US-led campaign against al-Qa‘ida.

  • 2 votes
#1.37 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:14 PM EST
Therese Nelson

This is from the Counterterrorism site of the Government, you are wrong the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11/2001.

http://www.nctc.gov/site/groups/taliban.html

In the years leading up to the 11 September 2001 attack in the United States, the Taliban provided a safehaven for al-Qa'ida. This gave al-Qa'ida a base in which it could freely recruit, train, and deploy terrorists to other countries. The Taliban held sway in Afghanistan until October 2001, when they were routed from power by the US-led campaign against al-Qa'ida.

The Taliban was part + parcel of 9/11/2001.

  • 2 votes
#1.38 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:23 PM EST
Therese Nelson

CCarm your statement is against the COH and I and the government states you are wrong #33.38

What an idiot remark. What a completely, fact less, brain dead remark!!

hard2port, your statement

VP Biden has more foreign policy expertise than the entire combined Teapublican clown-car. The taliban is just an Afghan version of the tea party/teavangelicals. Ultra-conservative religious wackos that want laws for everyone based upon the rigid beliefs of the minority. Sound familiar?

I did not report your nasty personal remarks to me. You are wrong, the Taliban + Al Qaida were known as one and helped each other up until October,2011 when we attacked them.

You are wrong.#33.38

http://www.nctc.gov/site/groups/taliban.html

In the years leading up to the 11 September 2001 attack in the United States, the Taliban provided a safehaven for al-Qa'ida. This gave al-Qa'ida a base in which it could freely recruit, train, and deploy terrorists to other countries. The Taliban held sway in Afghanistan until October 2001, when they were routed from power by the US-led campaign against al-Qa'ida.

  • 2 votes
#1.39 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:32 PM EST
Therese Nelson

Dear vol,

Thank you for your statement

Gee, I am oh sooo glad we have Jay Carney and Robert Gibbs to tell us what Biden and Obama "meant" to say, because it's really hard to understand with their FOOT in their collective MOUTHS!

The fact that the White House is trying to explain what VP Biden said? WHAT?

This is so ridiculous.

  • 2 votes
#1.40 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:37 PM EST
hard2port

"I did not report your nasty personal remarks to me."

*whew* gee thanks! Maybe because there weren't any............................fail...............

  • 2 votes
#1.41 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:47 PM EST
tesla013

Well Theresa that was a remarkable waste of your energy. But at least you gave 'em something to ignore. They will now flock to some other story about Biden and his slippers or something a little more defensible. At least in that respect you have won a minor victory.

  • 1 vote
#1.42 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:56 PM EST
Reply
hww

He just shows how clueless this administration is.

  • 12 votes
#2 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:22 PM EST
Buono Cane

you mean the administration that got Bin Laden, that one? or some of the other high level terrorists? or the administration that toppled Qaddafi?

that administration, brilliant, yes there is plenty of cluelessness to go around

not to mention corruption, bigotry, and stupidity

  • 16 votes
#2.1 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:04 PM EST
American Dreams

you mean the administration that got Bin Laden, that one? or some of the other high level terrorists? or the administration that toppled Qaddafi?

that administration, brilliant, yes there is plenty of cluelessness to go around

not to mention corruption, bigotry, and stupidity

You mean the administration that got Bin Laden and taking full credit for it despite the fact that the previous administration spent years doing the leg work to find where the POS went to ground. There was countless hours of data, leads and dead ends the intellligence community had to filter through to find his location.

Extracting Osama Bin Laden from near Tora Bora was a formidable challenge for US forces. It wasn't like he was high profile vacationing like Obama in Martha Vineyard or Honolulu. He moved around a network of fortified caves and tunnels of Tora Bora and other difficult areas with ease, being protected by sympathizers and then went to ground right under the very noses of the Pakistani government (who it is rumored is our ally) because we were trying to respect the county's sovereignty.

  • 7 votes
#2.2 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:45 PM EST
gmross

George W. Bush on Osama Bin Laden;

BUSH: "We haven't heard from him in a long time. ... Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. ... I just don't spend that much time on him... we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run.

March 13, 2002
Comments by then-President George W. Bush

  • 10 votes
#2.3 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:54 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

And this also by Bush:

Osama bin Laden is the "prime suspect" in last Tuesday's terrorist attacks in New York and Washington and the United States wants to capture him "dead or alive," President Bush said Monday.

Speaking with reporters after a Pentagon briefing on plans to call up reserve troops, Bush offered some of his most blunt language to date when he was asked if he wanted bin Laden dead.

"I want justice," Bush said. "And there's an old poster out West I recall, that said, 'Wanted, Dead or Alive.'"

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-17/us/bush.powell.terrorism_1_bin-qaeda-terrorist-attacks?_s=PM:US

  • 8 votes
#2.4 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:08 AM EST
Therese Nelson

Leon Pannetta stated that the Bush intel is what gave info for the locality and capture of Bin Ladin. Waterboarding gave US intel for getting Bin Ladin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFEq_9uJtPw

Panetta vs Obama: Enhanced Interrogation; Bin Laden Demise

  • 5 votes
#2.5 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:34 AM EST
Therese Nelson

I think of the absurdity of calling VP Dan Quayle stupid for misspelling potato?

This is our Vice President making Jokes and Gaffes worldwide.

Articles in part and link

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/801-economy/197165-biden-jokes-in-greece-about-debt-crisis

Biden jokes about US bailing out Greece with hundreds of millions

Vice President Joe Biden joked Monday during a visit to Greece about bringing U.S. money to lift the struggling nation out of a financial crisis.

During a trip to Athens, Biden introduced a U.S. Treasury official during a meeting with Greek President Karolos Papoulias, saying "this man represents the Treasury department. He's brought hundreds of millions of dollars."

  • 8 votes
#2.6 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:42 AM EST
Therese Nelson

Let me be clear, VP Biden is a public embarassment

VP tells man in wheel chair "stand up"

Article in part and link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2mzbuRgnI4&feature=player_embedded

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/joebiden/youtube/biden-stand-up.htm

  • 8 votes
#2.7 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:50 AM EST
Therese Nelson

VP Biden uses F bomb, I think this man needs his brain washed, and his mouth.

Link and utube

VP Joe Biden unleashes F-Bomb!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rwkb6ArNn4

  • 8 votes
#2.8 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:54 AM EST
Therese Nelson

VP Biden cannot count or spell, the Dems and detractors should apologize to VP Dan Quayle

While campaigning in Ohio, Joe Biden says that "J-O-B-S" is a three-letter word.

+http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/joebiden/youtube/biden-jobs-gaffe.htm

  • 8 votes
#2.9 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:57 AM EST
Therese Nelson

At a swearing-in ceremony for White House staff, Biden jokes about Chief Justice John Roberts' flubbing of Obama's inaugural oath. A visibly irritated Obama nudges Biden in protest.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/joebiden/youtube/biden-roberts-joke.htm

  • 8 votes
#2.10 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:01 AM EST
Therese Nelson

Vice President Biden calls US citizens "Terrorists"? He has to apologize...

This does not speak well of President Obama who picked a man like VP Biden.

Now, let me get this straight Biden, the Taliban are not Terrorists...but, those who want to stop spending US into Bankruptcy debt is?

What a joke, Biden.

"

Biden’s ‘terrorist’ gaffe

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/bidens-terrorist-gaffe/2011/08/01/gIQAKmtGoI_blog.html

On Monday, Politico reported that Joe Biden had made a deeply unfortunate comment. In response to the remarks of Rep. Mike Doyle (D-Penn.) about the Tea Party and fiscal conservatives that “We have negotiated with terrorists,” Biden reportedly agreed that “They have acted like terrorists.”

Reince Priebus (if I’m spelling that right; I think it’s I before E except in REINCE), chairman of the Republican National Committee, has already demanded an apology.

I am sure people are going to leap to Biden’s defense; he’s never been exactly gaffe-proof, in the sense that gasoline has never been exactly fireproof. When you spend more than 10 minutes around him you get that same disconcerting feeling that overcomes you when you bring your grandfather to a rap concert, the idea that if he stays here any longer he’s going to say something kind of oblivious that will ruin the whole event.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/bidens-terrorist-gaffe/2011/08/01/gIQAKmtGoI_blog.html

  • 8 votes
#2.11 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:23 AM EST
Therese Nelson

Vice President Biden's "Terrorist" remark to our US citizens makes our country look stupid, the Obama administration is making US the laughing stock of the world.

The Al Qaeda wants an apology for comparing concerned citizens Terrorists?

VP Biden is a box of rocks

Article in part and link

Biden Compares Tea Party to Terrorists; Al-Qaeda Demands Apology
http://www.borowitzreport.com/2011/08/02/biden-compares-tea-party-to-terrorists-alqaeda-demands-apology/

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) – Vice President Joe Biden ignited an international incident today when he called the Tea Party “terrorists,” causing the leader of al-Qaeda to demand an apology.

Just moments after Mr. Biden made his controversial remark, al-Qaeda chief Ayman al-Zawahiri appeared in a video to condemn the comment, which the terrorist called “hurtful.”

“I demand that the Vice President take back his offensive comment immediately,” Mr. al-Zawahiri said in the video, broadcast on Al-Jazeera. “It has been very bad for our brand.”

Mr. Biden attempted to clarify his remark later in the day, telling reporters, “I in no way intended to insult the members of al-Qaeda.”

http://www.borowitzreport.com/2011/08/02/biden-compares-tea-party-to-terrorists-alqaeda-demands-apology/

  • 8 votes
#2.12 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:33 AM EST
Therese Nelson

Now, let me be clear....VP Biden apologizes to the Al Qaeda for insulting them?

Biden's statement

Mr. Biden attempted to clarify his remark later in the day, telling reporters, “I in no way intended to insult the members of al-Qaeda.”

But he calls US Terrorists, the citizens + Tax payers who he is supposed to represent?

This man is not good for US. Who picked him, not I.

  • 9 votes
#2.13 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:37 AM EST
Therese Nelson

I have family members who are disabled Veterans. They deserve better than VP Biden, and so do we.

No more 4 years for Biden.

  • 8 votes
#2.14 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:38 AM EST
Therese Nelson

The list of Newsvine articles reference VP Biden and that some Dems do not even want Biden on 2012 ticket, Pres Obama insists on keeping him on the ticket.

Newsvine article and comment

http://harleyman.newsvine.com/_news/2011/12/20/9588705-taliban-not-the-enemy

Former Democrat Virginia Governer Wilder states Biden should not be on the ticket in the coming election. It is also rumored many Democrats support Gov. Wilder contention that the VP has got to go. When asked where Biden should go, the former Governor said he didn't care where Biden went, so long as it wasn't anywhere near the government.

  • 7 votes
#2.15 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:43 AM EST
Therese Nelson

I think we can do better than VP Biden, other Dems think so too. Dump Biden.

Watch this interview with this icon of a Dem on VP Biden.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1338175244001/critics-want-biden-off-2012-ticket-after-taliban-gaffe/

Critics Want Biden Off 2012 Ticket After Taliban Gaffe

Former Virginia Governor Douglas Wilder weighs in

  • 7 votes
#2.16 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:49 AM EST
Therese Nelson

How many Pres Obama's appointments/Czars have been thrown under the bus, or put out for being a bad choice.

Like Van Jones, Anita Dunn and Atty Gen Eric Holder has legislation that is promoted by 75 members of Congress "No Confidence" in Holder for his failure in his job in Fast and Furious.

  • 8 votes
#2.17 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:53 AM EST
Jim Davis, Veterans-For-Change

The "Administration" didn't get anyone, our "active duty military", namely SEAL TEAM 6 got Bin Laden.

If the Administration wants bragging rights, then hell I say give them a 90 lb back pack, rifle, canteen, and ship their butts off to Afghanistan today!

Let them earn their bragging rights, not on the back of our Soldiers!

  • 9 votes
#2.18 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:05 AM EST
Therese Nelson

Dear Jim,

Exactly, for Pres Obama to break his arm to pat himself on the back because of the hard work of the Bush Administration and Intel from our Fed employees and military is egregious.

The soldiers + military deserve the praise, not this Pres who stated as Senator "dumb war"?

  • 9 votes
#2.19 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:21 AM EST
ol doc gold

Therese, you are the first viner I have ever seen spam their own seed...kudos.

  • 11 votes
#2.20 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:32 AM EST
Bummer of Oregon

Therese, many of your posts have absolutely nothing to do with the article at hand. Have you read the Code of Honor?

  • 9 votes
#2.21 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:14 AM EST
Ripley8

American Dreams

you mean the administration that got Bin Laden, that one? or some of the other high level terrorists? or the administration that toppled Qaddafi?

that administration, brilliant, yes there is plenty of cluelessness to go around

not to mention corruption, bigotry, and stupidity

You mean the administration that got Bin Laden and taking full credit for it despite the fact that the previous administration spent years doing the leg work to find where the POS went to ground. There was countless hours of data, leads and dead ends the intellligence community had to filter through to find his location.

Robert Oakley, Reagan Counterterrorism Czar says of Clinton's efforts "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama

Paul Bremer, Bush's Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley saying he believed the Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden. "

Barton Gellman of the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort."

"Clinton's advisors met nearly weekly on how to stop bin Laden...I didn't detect that kind of focus from the Bush administration."
- Two Star General Donald Kerrick

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

and when we knew bin Laden was in Pakistan ?

( don't forget it was Bush that pushed for arming Pakistan with nukes )

Bushco didn't believe in invading Pakistan because it was a sovereign nation.......... wait... so was Iraq !!.

Wednesday, March 07, 2007
Bush Administration To Senate: We Can't Just Invade Some Other Country
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/03/bush-administration-to-senate-we-cant.html

remember ! Bushco pulled out the marines when they were in the Tora Bora mnts. early on and actually could have gotten bin Laden then !!

  • 8 votes
#2.22 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:58 AM EST
Coral Atlas

Joe Biden is zillions of times more intelligent than those here who have the gall to act as though they know anything at all about foreign policy.

But hey - this is America where we can ALL act like geniuses.

We even have an entire news Network acting like they are a news network and not a GOTP propaganda machine.

There are quite a few actors on the white right wing ... from top to bottom.

  • 4 votes
#2.23 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:56 AM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Well, Coral, it doesn't take a "genius" to know that you don't call some of the people our soldiers are fighting against, "not our enemies per se". How stupid was that...I guess, it must be one of those nuanced thingys that even a first grader can understand.

  • 3 votes
#2.24 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:18 AM EST
American Dreams

Yes Bush did say that and I have several possible scenarios as to why he said it.

One: as POTUS he didn't need to worry about where Bin Laden was...he had other people who were doing the hinting and seeking so he could focus on other things.

Two: ever play poker?...his indifference could have been a "bluff". Act like you don't care and hope the rat sticks his head up long enough to get a bead on it and BLAMMO!

Three: When hunting a wily rabid animal, you must move stealthy and fake them out but acting like you don't care. Meanwhile you are closing the gates and other escape routes, steadily moving closer to the lair. Sometimes you must retreat to go forward.

Four: He understood the enormous problems of hunting for the needle in a hat stack and left the seeking to his intelligence forces. Obama inherited the results of their work...and is taking the glory of the end goal without acknowledging the work and dedication of the men and women who devoted a lot of effort to track the man down.

It did not help that the Pakistani Government is so corrupt that it allowed Bin Laden to hide in plain sight while the US attempted to play nice with the Paks.

And all of this would have could have and I did it from Obama could have been avoided IF CLINTON had given permission to take Bin Laden out at least three different times during his terms.

  • 2 votes
#2.25 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:33 PM EST
gmross

vol fan in chatt, tn.,

Osama bin Laden is the "prime suspect" in last Tuesday's terrorist attacks in New York and Washington and the United States wants to capture him "dead or alive," President Bush said Monday.

And then less than a year later he said that Osama Bin Laden wasn't a priority any more. Hhmmm.

It was President Obama that made him a priority again, and it was President Obama who ordered the SEAL team to get him.

  • 4 votes
#2.26 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:31 PM EST
Julian in Dallas

Jim-Veterans For Change, American Dreams, and other Obama haters:

Some of the reasons you people come up with to discredit the Obama administration are utterly petty and childish.

Funny how when bush sent our troops to MURDER civilians in Iraq to exact some kind of sick revenge on behalf of his daddy, he got all the credit for taking out Saddam (not a threat to US security). However, when President Obama sent the SEALS to get Bin Laden, somehow the SEAL teams deserves all the credit, even though they would never have operated without expressed consent from President Obama?

How does that make any sense?

I'd bet anything if bush had sent the SEAL team after Bin Laden, you right-wingers would be all on his dick about it.

I really could care less for Joe Biden and what he said. Vice Presidents are usually forgotten about in short order. It's the Presidents who make history. Good or bad.

I think the hatred you people have of President Obama is rooted not only in his race, but also from feeling sorry for bush because he was such a monumental screw-up. He made the USA look bad and you conservative voters look totally stupid before the entire world. Now that Obama is outdoing bush in every way, you righties will let your sore loser feelings manifest as hatred for him. Typical.

THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR PROTECTING AMERICA FROM REAL THREATS TO OUR SECURITY!

  • 7 votes
#2.27 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:47 PM EST
cannonballer

THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR PROTECTING AMERICA FROM REAL THREATS TO OUR SECURITY!

Yeah, them damn returning vets and anyone with a Tea Party bumper sticker, damned terrorists. But hey, lets arm Mexican drug cartels, they can be our militia... oops.

  • 3 votes
#2.28 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:42 PM EST
cannonballer

Y'all keep saying Obama haters like it's a bad thing, what makes you special that you can huddle together and talk trash about Bush then get all prickly about people that dont agree with Obama?

Oops my bad it's racism, right?

  • 4 votes
#2.29 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:48 PM EST
Therese Nelson

Dear Bummer,Coral,

I do look to inform on the Terrorists, Taliban and the Al Qaida were one in the same until after 9/11/2001, up until 10/2001

Article in part and link from government

In the years leading up to the 11 September 2001 attack in the United States, the Taliban provided a safehaven for al-Qa‘ida. This gave al-Qa‘ida a base in which it could freely recruit, train, and deploy terrorists to other countries. The Taliban held sway in Afghanistan until October 2001, when they were routed from power by the US-led campaign against al-Qa‘ida.

http://www.nctc.gov/site/groups/taliban.html

See post #33.38

  • 1 vote
#2.30 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:43 PM EST
Therese Nelson

gmgross,

Vol is right. She knows what she is talking about. She has posted the truth.

The intel info for capturing Bin Ladin was garnered through George W Bush and his advanced Interrogation techniques, waterboarding.

If not for Bush and our Intel we would not have ANY Intel to find Bin Ladin.

The Seals got Bin Ladin, to say that Obama should have this is not correct, waterboarding was being investigated by Holder, hr had our Fed employees like FBI, CIA were being held under his investigations. Despicable.Only Leon Panetta stood up for them.

Some of our troops are waterboarded in their training, among other things. These Terrorists are not better than our troops.

  • 2 votes
#2.31 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Therese Nelson

Dear cannonball,

Yes, you are correct! The vitriol on Pres Bush was so prolific it became appalling.

The Bush haters should point to themselves...

  • 2 votes
#2.32 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:56 PM EST
Therese Nelson

Dear ol doc,

I am not spamming my own thread, I was providing multiple sources for proof that the Taliban were Terrorists.

I also posted in #33.38, a government site that stated the Al Qaida and Taliban worked together up until 9/11/2001, they were together.

http://www.nctc.gov/site/groups/taliban.html

In the years leading up to the 11 September 2001 attack in the United States, the Taliban provided a safehaven for al-Qa‘ida. This gave al-Qa‘ida a base in which it could freely recruit, train, and deploy terrorists to other countries. The Taliban held sway in Afghanistan until October 2001, when they were routed from power by the US-led campaign against al-Qa‘ida.

  • 1 vote
#2.33 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:01 PM EST
American Dreams

Justin

How about you retire that worn out race card? Your's is so thread bare it can hardly been read any more.

Why is it anyone who disagrees with Obama is labeled a racist? You display your own pedjudices when you make blanket statements such as you have. How about you take your blinders of and LOOK at what others find objectionable with his administration and stop reading out the Obama Cult Followers Handbook of approved comment.

You don't know me or the others who have voiced objections to Obama's action. You certainly don't know my views on race or how I was raised. I am not racist but you have become judge and jury based on what YOU perceive is my reason for not liking the man. I despise the the man's political agenda. I see an egotistical socialist community organizer attempting do "learn on the job" . Being the POTUS is one of the most powerful positions in the world...it is not a positon for someone such as inexperienced as he.

  • 1 vote
#2.34 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:19 PM EST
Jim Davis, Veterans-For-Change

Amazing, absolutely friggen amazing... anyone who has an opinion against Obama's actions, inactions, fence sitting, and demanding a deficit increase, we're racist and haters.

I don't know the man and personally would do to him as he has done our military and turn my back on him unless of course was a photo op, but that doesn't mean I hate him.

You want to talk racism and hatred then lets look at Michelle where she demanded the Marines stationed at the white house be in suits not uniforms and she was told by the commandant of the Marine Corps not going to happen.

Then she demanded an all black staff, again was told not going to happen!

Don't believe me, file an FOIA with the commandant of the Marine Corps to produce the written memo from Michelle Obama!

  • 3 votes
#2.35 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:15 PM EST
Reply
lamplighter

This man's brain is addled from neurosurgery to repair brain aneurysms two decades ago, throw in the fact that he's approaching 70 years old and you got your answer as to why...it's more than "just Joe being Joe"...it's scary.

  • 7 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:44 PM EST
Buono Cane

yes, a lot of things are very very scary, stupidity most of all

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:05 PM EST
lamplighter

yes, a lot of things are very very scary, stupidity most of all

I agree. Joe is a stellar example of that as well.

  • 6 votes
#3.2 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:16 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Here, lamplighter, there's plenty more stupid comment by these two bobble heads...Enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9hZpJp7U3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNr66HHhMjs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udParB8uo4M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmIB4em_hIo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Cg_FDRy4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4gFdKuMYL8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ro-El7WaYQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z16iVri3Kzk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eta-OjVUOK4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqUmuZnmf7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg2b31PWiUU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGMQ5DpVVTM&playnext=1&list=PL6D7ACB7EECA31C72
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAe08MWZbqM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZdnM0ziho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjuRI9PSXUw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTnfdYTrGfU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHAwf6fnGAc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htyyRrRzibg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4-AKcH3eC8&playnext=1&list=PL4EE7EB88606C88F2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxxGUeZtno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh6Gx1KrvTw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeJsyoKIabY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt5dY3vVoZ0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyW9e5QdWxk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqcnjxYiG7M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyW9e5QdWxk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzrAht2Ob1o&feature=related
But let's not leave Uncle Joe out of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hZtW_q_6Ug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VAzOIT4Ef8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxdj-ZwKNZ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKTjlAd-GXM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRXH7RkCZQ&playnext=1&list=PL2666DD36D85D2C11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mmWZRWE-1M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0lVOJfZ3jk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiQpNWh98XU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdB4XprOLyg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-eeWow_WU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll_goH-aivU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASDOOfEGLYs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91T7dwZ6TkY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBBwlDOMY8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36kaNJjL0ig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuGi2bMwODs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM1d0C9EYMs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQjQaRzKnl4

  • 7 votes
#3.3 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:10 AM EST
Coral Atlas

lamplighter - I can assure you NO ONE is going to rushing for GOTP brains when they became available - especially not with the comments you and other GOTP fanatics make. ;-)

  • 3 votes
#3.4 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:58 AM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Really? Coral...

NO ONE is going to rushing for GOTP brains when they became available

per your post..LMGCO.

  • 5 votes
#3.5 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:20 AM EST
lamplighter

Here, lamplighter, there's plenty more stupid comment by these two bobble heads...Enjoy:

Thank you vol, I did enjoy them. But I'm sure Coral didn't...probably because the truth certainly hurts.

  • 1 vote
#3.6 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:39 PM EST
Therese Nelson

Dear vol,

Thank you for the giggle...

Dear lamplighter,

What is not too funny, this man is our Vice President! ughhh He is embarassing

  • 2 votes
#3.7 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:04 PM EST
Therese Nelson

The Taliban and the Al Qaida did work together up until 9/11/2001, they worked and trained,recruited together.

Government site for Terrorist

http://www.nctc.gov/site/groups/taliban.html

In the years leading up to the 11 September 2001 attack in the United States, the Taliban provided a safehaven for al-Qa‘ida. This gave al-Qa‘ida a base in which it could freely recruit, train, and deploy terrorists to other countries. The Taliban held sway in Afghanistan until October 2001, when they were routed from power by the US-led campaign against al-Qa‘ida.

  • 1 vote
#3.8 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:07 PM EST
Reply
American Spirit

It's a true statement. The Taliban did not plot. plan and execute 9-11. We were wooing them with trips to Texas right before that.

When you use a military solution to a criminal problem displacing people out of power in nations other than your own, you can always expect some folks to fight back on the land they call home.

  • 14 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:54 PM EST
Roy Batty

When you use a military solution to a criminal problem displacing people out of power in nations other than your own, you can always expect some folks to fight back on the land they call home.

Exactly.

  • 12 votes
#4.1 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:19 PM EST
Coral Atlas

Correct.

  • 3 votes
#4.2 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:59 AM EST
Reply
Chucky Stuart

This statement goes a long way to proving my assertion that Joe Biden is the Dan Quayle of the democrat party.

  • 12 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:54 PM EST
American Dreams

Chucky S -

LOL excellent comparison!

  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:25 PM EST
Reply
King Dave

"the Taliban per se is not our enemy."

As long as you are not female, or you don't adhere to any other law other than Islamic. A female accused of adultery knows how dangerous a stone is in an Islamic theocracy, imagine if they acquire apocalyptic nuclear weapons. Soon we will not have use our imagination.

  • 11 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:59 PM EST
Buono Cane

yes and here in good ol' america we just abuse our women

and in the military only 20% of the females are assaulted, those that report it

the only country to ever use nucular weapons on another country is?

imagination is all some people have

  • 9 votes
#6.1 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:08 PM EST
ol doc gold

King Dave,

So now we just have to go and topple every Islamic Theocracy?

oooh wait, once the Taliban fell, we now have the Government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, guess what? They are a theocracy too!

  • 6 votes
#6.2 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:56 PM EST
American Spirit

So now we just have to go and topple every Islamic Theocracy?

Methinks a lot of those "flag waving Americans' forget we brought an Islamic Theocracy to Iraq.

And to Iran in the 50s....and to Afghanistan when we helped fund the group that became the Taliban to fight the Russians.

  • 4 votes
#6.3 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:50 AM EST
Coral Atlas

Exactly American Spirit .... a lot of GOTP'ers are a product of the underfunded GOTP public schools and simply weren't taught properly

  • 3 votes
#6.4 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:01 AM EST
ol doc gold

You would think these at some point we would get tired of repeating these same scenarios...over and over again. Its the one point that I agree with Ron Paul (to an extent).

  • 1 vote
#6.5 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:06 PM EST
Reply
Tin Roof Cat

Wait..Didn't....Oh, never-mind....Carry on with the circle jerk..

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 5 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:31 PM EST
greg81082-4115372

Biden is right. The Taliban are the new "commies" that the US had to fear during the cold war. The taliban are criminals and not a world-wide source of a potential world war. The right knows..Fear sells.

  • 7 votes
#7.1 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:41 PM EST
Reply
izzybar

"the Taliban per se is not our enemy."

Oh Dear, Dear Therese

If you had command of the English language and knew the definition of the word, you might not have let your knickers get all bunched up over Vice President Biden's totally appropriate use of the adverb "per se". Keep in mind you must be sharp to be able to understand nuances when addressing the issue of the Taliban as an enemy to afghanistan and/or America.

  • 13 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:46 PM EST
Tin Roof Cat

But, but Izzy, we are being informed..With FACTS!! ;)

  • 7 votes
#8.1 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:54 PM EST
Buono Cane

oh man, are you dreamin'

don't you know that bigotry and hatred (Taliban traits as well) thrive in the God Blessed USA, how else do you keep the money funneling into the criminals

Forgive them, Izzy and Tin, for they know not...they know what they do, they just know not a gd thing

  • 7 votes
#8.2 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:11 PM EST
vol fan in chatt, tn

Keep in mind you must be sharp to be able to understand nuances when addressing the issue of the Taliban as an enemy to afghanistan and/or America.

Yes, true, that's why we have Jay Carney to tell us what he "meant" to say ..sheeze, no wonder Gibbs gave it up... always having to go around and clean up somebody else's mistakes gets old.

Good to know that the Taliban that are killing our soldiers are not "our enemies per se"...

Um, wow, what a stupid comment Biden made.

  • 8 votes
#8.3 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:13 AM EST
ol doc gold

vol:

Yes, true, that's why we have Jay Carney to tell us what he "meant" to say ..

No that is why YOU need Jay Carney to tell YOU what he meant to say. People with a firm grasp of the English language need no such service.

  • 1 vote
#8.4 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:10 PM EST
Reply
Buono Cane

Therese Nelson, have you even the slightest clue of all the death, misery, hatred, and vileness visited upon the world by Christians? Any at all?

And looking to be informed doesn't do a thing if you only look at certain things.

Most people read, listen, go to school, get educated, so many other things than just looking to be informed. It takes a lot of time, a lot of effort, and an open curious mind.

  • 5 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:12 PM EST
Tin Roof Cat

But Buono..This type is not concerned with an open mind, and curious is..Well kinda sounds like Communist..Which kinda sounds like socialist...anyway, their more concerned following the piper..And the lead lemming..HEY! Where's he going..

  • 6 votes
#9.1 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:33 PM EST
Reply
Joanna Caroll

White House spokesman Jay Carney said his words were "only regrettable when taken out of context,"

What a really disingenuous poll! Seriously, have you read the Newsweek interview, Therese? Read the article....you know, look to be informed!

  • 8 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:18 PM EST
Anthony-1802249

Anyone who thinks the Taliban are our friends should go join them and find how nice they are.

Bring up, NO, draging up the Nazis is 60 yrs. out of touch with reality. Like the neo-Nazis they have no sense what it was like for the people who lived through it and rely on revisionist tales of history instead of facts. Like the Iranian Pres. who claims the Holocaust is a myth by the Satanic West.

American Spirit, #4;

It's a true statement. The Taliban did not plot. plan and execute 9-11. We were wooing them with trips to Texas right before that.

Sorry, but you've been misinformed. Try looking up the facts, though you're right about half way. The Taliban were only suppressing their own people but were allied with al-Qaeda terrorists who perpetrated 9/11, and gave them free reign to use their Country for training.

We did do training in Texas, to fight the Russians, before the radical Religious wing of the Afghanistani calling themselves "Taliban" overthrew the weak government after the Russians left. And before 9/11, not after. You just have your time line mixed up together.

  • 6 votes
#11 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:20 PM EST
izzybar

Sorry, but you've been misinformed. Try looking up the facts, though you're right about half way.

Anthony, if you have access to facts to prove you're correctly informed, present it here. otherwise I will conclude you are the source of misinformation.

    #11.1 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:28 PM EST
    ol doc gold

    Hey Anthony, that is not the only thing that was going on in Texas before 9/11 that had to do with the Taliban:

     Taleban in Texas for talks on gas pipeline

    note the date: December 4, 1997

    • 4 votes
    #11.2 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:02 PM EST
    Anthony-1802249

    #11.1, Judge izzy, When you can't rearrange history, you try to hold court and ask for proof. If you don't want to accept my knowleddge look it up for your self.

    Do you have evidence to disprove what I said and not from your other cronnies but a reliable source?

    Ol doc, #11.2,

    If you read the article it was a private company - Unacal - and you left out the last part;

    "But peace must be established first -- and that for the moment still seems a distant prospect."

    And in 1997, they were still fighting the amongst themselelves, who was the boggie man at the time? And there was no real Central government but tribal factions.

    And If you all remember, we also helped Sadam fight Iran by giving him intelligence and satelite photos.

    I believe the adage is; "The enemy of my enemy, is my friend." we don't sit around and ask if they'll turn against US after because they'll most likely lie.

    We also aided Iran and the Shah against the Russians and our major oil Companies drilled and were producing oil for the Iranians, mainly Shell.

    How far back do you want to go? We helped liberate France in WWI and WWII. Then our military was kicked out of the Country and the bases nationalized in late'60s or '70s by a socialist government.

    How about the Spanish-American war when we liberated the Philippines from Spain, (along with cuba and Puerto Rico), and again in WWII, and we got kicked out of there too when the Country closed and took over our naval bases.
    I suppose Bush and Reagan are the blame for those too. Like there wasn't any democrats around?


    • 5 votes
    #11.3 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:40 AM EST
    ol doc gold

    Anthony, I did not leave any part out...I didn't quote anything at all.

    I was just linking a story about the Taliban and their trip to Texas in 1997, you made the leap in logic to your own conclusions. Just like when you said:

    Anyone who thinks the Taliban are our friends should go join them and find how nice they are.

    Where on this thread did anyone say the Taliban are our friends? nowhere, you made that up...its called a strawman. You are misrepresenting the opposing position.

    Saying that 'the Taliban is not our enemy per se' is a far cry from saying that they are our friends. I am not sure if you are doing this intentionally or if it stems from a lack of understanding on your part.

    • 8 votes
    #11.4 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:29 AM EST
    Anthony-1802249

    ol doc gold, #11.4;

    Is that all you could find to criticize?

    Anyone who thinks the Taliban are our friends should go join them and find how nice they are.

    Do you disagree with the statement? If they "per se" are not our enemy and we assisted them, we must be friends? Does any one want to agree with that?

    I didn't name anyone, I just said IF, anyone thought they were, is not an accusation but a suggestion.

    It is not a lack of understanding, which is a slander to discredit the writer and not the statement.

    • 5 votes
    #11.5 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:45 AM EST
    Coral Atlas

    Anthony I suggest you read a few good books on logic ... before you write any more comments.

    • 4 votes
    #11.6 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:05 AM EST
    vol fan in chatt, tn

    LOL, Coral...your posts are always so "enlightening",...not.

    • 4 votes
    #11.7 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:23 AM EST
    American Dreams

    @11.4

    Taliban in Texas 1997

    And just who allowed them in? Who was the POTUS then? It as your good ol' boy, DEMOCRAT Bill Clinton.

    Hindsight it always 20 20 - if you are going to bash Bush for things you need to follow the trail of responsibility even further back. The left always accuse the Republicans or Tea Party of the cause of all evil in the world but conveniently forget / overlook / excuse those annoying little facts to push their approved Demo. agenda.

    • 2 votes
    #11.8 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:32 PM EST
    ol doc gold

    American Dreams,

    Hindsight it always 20 20 - if you are going to bash Bush for things you need to follow the trail of responsibility even further back. The left always accuse the Republicans or Tea Party of the cause of all evil in the world but conveniently forget / overlook / excuse those annoying little facts to push their approved Demo. agenda.

    You seem to suffer the same problem as Anthony, did I mention Bush? no...go back and read what I wrote, and tell me where I mention Bush, republican, conservative, liberal, democrat...

    Then while you are in the reading mood, here is some homework for you and Anthony:

    http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html

    its actually quite informative, I have read through it a couple times. But in no way does it mitigate the need to actually read what someone wrote more thoroughly..

    • 1 vote
    #11.9 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:00 PM EST
    Anthony-1802249

    Old doc,

    While some are trying to say the "Taliban" are different from the "al-Qaeda" they are all factions within the radical Muslim who fight amongst themselves unless they agree on someone else to fight. It's like saying Catholics and Christians aren't the same.

    A group will follow a leader and pick a name for their group from the Koran or a past disciple of Mohammed the prophet. Like Christians grouped around Jones or a dozen other crackpots.

    The name Taliban was most probably taken from the 4th "Rightly Guided Caliph" successor after Mohammed's death, Ali ibn Abi Talib who died in 661 AD. and the last Supreme Caliphate, as the different factions battled each other after his death for supremacy. As in our Catholic reformation period and "Dark Ages"

    The two main divides of Islam is between the Persians and Arabs, or Shiah Islam (Perian, in Now Iran) and Sunni Islam (Arab, in Now Saudi Arabia) Bin Laden was Saudi. The warfare between Persia and Arabs goes all the way back to Mesopotamia [now Iraq] circa 5,000 BC.

    History can be quite interesting if read from before it was revised to fit peoples opinions today.

    • 2 votes
    #11.10 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:33 PM EST
    Anthony-1802249

    Old doc,

    ps.

    http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html

    Is written by an individual very well indoctrinated in far left rhetoric, and will be welcomed as part of the intelligensia in the "New Order." And in the article you refered to the author stated "Nixon" was a good example to use.

    However, Ironically, this theory of logial fallacies was put forth by the representatives of intelligentsia itself, notably Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky among many others. In particular, Lenin is famous for his caustic remark that "[the] intelligentsia is not the 'brain of the nation', it is the 'feces of the nation'".

    Also, in case you weren't informed, it is assumed the Newsvine is for discussions, not debates or political mudslinging. If you have an opinion to discuss or a different perspective it can be stated, not argued. This is not the Supreme Court and using derogatory inferences would be dismissed if it were.

    If a debate is all you want, you're free to join one of the many clubs for debating.

      #11.11 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:37 AM EST
      ol doc gold

      Anthony,

      You should take take a breath in between gulps of kool-aid.

      The art of rhetoric and the concepts of logical fallacies and rhetoric have been around since antiquity. Ever here of a guy named Aristotle? Yeah...you might want to read up on him. To say that these logical fallacies are part of some broad leftist conspiracy is hilarious...and sad. These are all based in logic, and date back 2300 years or so...

      And by the way the abhorrence of the right to all things intelligent makes then entire movement look stupid. You do your cohorts no favors my friend, by embracing the simplistic and rejecting critical thought.

      Also, in case you weren't informed, it is assumed the Newsvine is for discussions, not debates or political mudslinging. If you have an opinion to discuss or a different perspective it can be stated, not argued. This is not the Supreme Court and using derogatory inferences would be dismissed if it were.

      Read my bio, I have been on the vine since 2008, I know exactly what it is fo, read my bio

      . Here, let me help:

      Newsvine members are encouraged to participate in healthy discussions and debates, while at the same time adhering to the following recommended guidelines. When individuals follow these guidelines of their own accord, the entire Community wins. Source

      apparently you are the one confused about what newsvine is...

      IF you can't keep up...try harder...

      • 1 vote
      #11.12 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:04 AM EST
      Anthony-1802249

      You forgot healthy? I've read far more then you and don't need your snide remarks about your superiority. You ain't. I've also been a student of symantics and you would get a"c-" if I was grading.

      apparently you are the one confused ...

      You'll have to try harder to do that. I'm not one of your bumpkins.

      Ever here of a guy named Aristotle?

      Yes, and I've also read Plato, Hippocrates, Dante, etc. and as Epictetus said; "The gods have given us two eyes, two ears, and but one tongue. To the end that we may see and hear more than we speak." Something you should follow.

      Oh, and your spelling flunks.

        #11.13 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:24 AM EST
        ol doc gold

        You forgot healthy? I've read far more then you and don't need your snide remarks about your superiority.

        where did I was superior to anyone? Again with the straw man.

        Yes, and I've also read Plato, Hippocrates, Dante, etc. and as Epictetus said; "The gods have given us two eyes, two ears, and but one tongue. To the end that we may see and hear more than we speak." Something you should follow.

        That's a great line, but its also a diversion from your original assertion that rhetoric and logic was a leftist conspiracy and that you were apparently unaware after being on Newsvine for 1 1/2 years that this is a site for discussion and debate.

        I've also been a student of symantics and you would get a"c-" if I was grading.

        You want to try to criticize my semantics go for it (yes that is how you spell it...I guess you missed that during your studies)

        Normally I don't ping people on spelling, but since you had to bring it up:

        Oh, and your spelling flunks.

        It would behoove you to spell check your own posts first before you critique mine.

          #11.14 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:06 AM EST
          Anthony-1802249

          We can keep this up ad-infinitum but i see no worth in your remarks to continue. you are only argumentative and unworthy of further waste of any time.

          If you think you have more to say?fine. I won't waste my time on worthless junk. And you are not scaring me off. I've gotten use to ignoring gibberish from pseudo intellectuals.

          You can nit pick for the rest of the day. I could less care.

            #11.15 - Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:48 AM EST
            American Dreams

            ol doc #11.9...

            I stand corrected. You did bring up the 1997 date in response to Anthony's comment in #11.2 but was not bashing or blaming Bush. I got who made what comments mixed up, I was typing while trying to ignore a screaming toddler and her older sister fighting over something stupid. The younger one needed to go down for a nap and neither parent was stepping to break the fighting up. (Who ever said being a Grandparent was fun must not have grand-kids and their parents living with them.)

              #11.16 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:36 PM EST
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              BLOGER-486140

              As usual you don't offer intellegent choices. An honest pollster would offer a clear Yes and No. No a No implying anyone voting No implies solders are wrong. Good solders follow their learders. and yes my conservative friends leaders can be wrong. When was George Bush ever right. Why are Conservatives so silly.

              • 9 votes
              Reply#12 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:23 PM EST
              This wont hurt much

              Biden. The gift that keeps on giving.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#13 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:41 PM EST
              paul-662506

              no, i think the real enemy is people who don't have the intellectual capital to compose poll questions that have anything to do with reality, yet they still get to vote.

              • 6 votes
              Reply#14 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:07 PM EST
              Elaine-1503791

              "the Taliban per se is not our enemy."

              Really?

              Taliban rule in Afghanistan:

              Women were required to wear the all-covering burqa, they were banned from public life and denied access to health care and education, windows needed to be covered so that women could not be seen from the outside, and they were not allowed to laugh in a manner they could be heard by others.[44] The Taliban, without any real court or hearing, cut people's hands or arms off when they were accused of stealing.[44] Taliban hit-squads watched the streets, conducting brutal public beatings.[44]

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

              As usual, VP Biden doesn't bother to research his topics before opening his yap.

              • 6 votes
              Reply#15 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:16 PM EST
              izzybar

              You obviously haven'i read the article. Here is the quote in context. I hope you get the nuance.

              Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy. That’s critical. There is not a single statement that the president has ever made in any of our policy assertions that the Taliban is our enemy because it threatens U.S. interests. If, in fact, the Taliban is able to collapse the existing government, which is cooperating with us in keeping the bad guys from being able to do damage to us, then that becomes a problem for us. So there’s a dual track here:

              • 8 votes
              Reply#16 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:41 PM EST
              Tin Roof Cat

              Ha!! Check this out.. Our seeder works for the I.R.S ..

              Isn't that against the teabagger creed?

              BAD EVIL GOVERNMENT!!

              Oh..And she likes tobi keith.

              Didn't see that coming!

              • 6 votes
              Reply#17 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:49 PM EST
              J. Lemert Whitmer

              Actually, Biden -- as senator -- did visit Afghanistan a few times. He was involved with the Taliban when the US was using them to give the USSR a rough time of it.

              I thought it was a mistake for the US to be involved with those crooks then, and I have not changed my views on that. AND I do mean crooks. Those people were oppressing the population with extremist Islamic views, and at the same time selling opium on the black market.

              It is quite a racket; this opium trade. The same crooks, and their forefathers, have been playing these games for centuries. They are not anyones friends, they are not interested in Islam, except as it can be used for their profits. They can and will exploit anyone and any principle in order to keep the opium market open.

              In one way Biden is correct. As long as the US keeps obstructing free trade of opium, they can sell their product at a premium price. They want us there limiting the volume of the product. But if the US actually stops the trade, then we become an obstruction to their profits.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#18 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:10 PM EST
              ol doc gold

              Ok, look for those of you that have no cultural context here...What Biden said was absolutely correct, but is not correct anymore.

              The Taliban, originally had nothing to do with Al Qaeda, or OBL...that was done by virtue of Mullah Omar exclusively after his grab for power, and it had nothing to do with sympathizing with AQ or OBL, it was a cultural imperative by virtue of Pashtunwali (not trying to justify, just explaining). Part of the Pashtun code that says you have to provide hospitality when asked, even to your enemy.

              Prior to September 11, the Taliban didn't give a rat's ass about the USA. Their biggest crime was not turning over OBL and closing the training camps.

              We, however, after years of mismanagement have obliged ourselves to "nation-building" from scratch because now that we have made an enemy of the Taliban it is in our interests to make sure they never hold exclusive power again. Another part of Pashtunwali is a notorious sense of revenge.

              Its important to understand what the Taliban really is, they are a not just a combination of Islamic fundamentalist and caliphate reconstructionists, perhaps most importantly they are essentially a Pashtun nationalist group. The Taliban were the only way the Pashtun could remain in power and not be relegated to being a loose confederation of tribal warlordships.

              They are brutal and dictatorial and abhorrent of human rights in general, but I have to agree in part with Mr Biden in that they WERE not our enemy, but they are now and will be as long as we are in Afghanistan.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#19 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:14 PM EST
              MLCook

              This Pashtun nationalist group sure has something against girls going to school or doing other radical things, like learning to drive or going to a soccer game.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#20 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:05 AM EST
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