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Britain is the latest country to pay the price for what happened half a century ago in one of the most radical transformations in the history of the West. In virtually every Western society in the 1960s there was a moral revolution, an abandonment of its entire traditional ethic of self-restraint. All you need, sang the Beatles, is love. The Judeo-Christian moral code was jettisoned. In its place came: whatever works for you. The Ten Commandments were rewritten as the Ten Creative Suggestions. Or as Allan Bloom put it in "The Closing of the American Mind": "I am the Lord Your God: Relax!"
Reversing the Decay of London Undone/ Britain's chief rabbi on the moral disintegration since the 1960s and how to rebuild.
Seeded on Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:37 PM EST
Article Source: Wall Street Journal
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That is the problem. At first it seemed as if the riots were almost random with no basis in class or race. As the perpetrators have come to court, a different picture has emerged. Of those charged, 60% had a previous criminal record, and 25% belonged to gangs.
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#1 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:40 PM ESTOh malarkey, nothing bad in todays society has anything to do the laws being formed secularly. Quite frankly Im glad this country is not run by religion(tho in some aspects it is, which is very bad). A country run by abrahamic religion would be much worse than ever before(look at iran).
No thank you, the church can keep it's law within the church where it should be. I like my freedom, and will fight tooth and nail to keep it. This country does not need more gay bashers, misogynists, and the like. Which was prevalent in that time of judeo-christian influence. I like the country the way it is(despite the financial ruin the gop led it to) I can do what I wish without being heckled(most of the time) by the religiofacists. I want to move forward with the advancement of mankind, not degrade back centuries.
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#2 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:48 PM ESTyou DO realize that you are talking about a BRIT issue? NOT 'MURCUN
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ngp,
I do not agree with your assessment of history or summation of what is good for US.
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I agree, Therese. Much better if England went back to the days of Henry VIII and thereabouts, when people were burned and tortured on a regular basis for not believing whatever the current King, Queen or Church wanted them to. Much better to have another Spanish Inquisition.
Yep, it's this horrible secular stuff - where everyone is free to worship as they believe and the government doesn't condone murdering people for their beliefs - that is causing all the problems. /sarc
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I was talking from the point of view of the US. Also from the point of view if I was living in the UK. I mean religious infiltration is what brought the salem witch trials. Religious infiltration is what is leading Africa to murder, torture, or imprison gay people. Religion was used to defend slavery, and oppression of women's rights. I was talking from a global view. Injecting religion into societal rules, laws, and the like looks all pretty at first, and then turns into V for Vendetta. Leads into like Katrix said, another inquistition, not to mention opens the door to a sharia controlled society. I for one dont want to live in a iran/taliban state. No matter if in the US, UK, Guatemala, or Finland, doesnt matter the danger is there whether apparent or hidden. No govnt, and no law should ever be directed by religion, no matter where.
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One of our great British exports to America, Harvard historian Niall Ferguson, has a fascinating passage in his recent book "Civilization," in which he asks whether the West can maintain its primacy on the world stage or if it is a civilization in decline.
He quotes a member of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, tasked with finding out what gave the West its dominance. He said: At first we thought it was your guns. Then we thought it was your political system, democracy. Then we said it was your economic system, capitalism. But for the last 20 years, we have known that it was your religion.
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#3 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:14 PM ESTDear Larry, Yes, I thank you for your posting of this paragraph. Significant.
I think for the Chinese to say it is our "Religion" that gave the West their dominance is profound.
The Truth speaks from the most unexpected places, huh?
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Here is the essence of the article:
The collapse of families and communities leaves in its wake unsocialized young people, deprived of parental care, who on average—and yes, there are exceptions—do worse than their peers at school, are more susceptible to drug and alcohol abuse, less likely to find stable employment and more likely to land up in jail.
The truth is, it is not their fault. They are the victims of the tsunami of wishful thinking that washed across the West saying that you can have sex without the responsibility of marriage, children without the responsibility of parenthood, social order without the responsibility of citizenship, liberty without the responsibility of morality and self-esteem without the responsibility of work and earned achievement.
What has happened morally in the West is what has happened financially as well. Good and otherwise sensible people were persuaded that you could spend more than you earn, incur debt at unprecedented levels and consume the world's resources without thinking about who will pay the bill and when. It has been the culture of the free lunch in a world where there are no free lunches.
We have been spending our moral capital with the same reckless abandon that we have been spending our financial capital.
Now, what to do about it. The example of the post-1820s America is instructive.
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#4 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:22 PM ESThttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgAlZFX1Rvw
My Prerogative - Bobby Brown [+Lyrics]
Lyrics:
Everybody's talking all this stuff about me
Why don't they just let me live?
I don't need permission, make my own decisions
That's my prerogative...
They say I'm crazy, I really don't care
That's my prerogative
They say I'm nasty, but I don't give a damn
Getting girls is how I live...
Some ask me questions, why am I so real?
But they don't understand me
I really don't know the deal about her brother,
Trying hard to make it right
Not long ago,
Before I win this fight, sing:
Chorus:
Everybody's talking all this stuff about me
Why don't they just let me live? [Tell me why!]
I don't need permission, make my own decisions
That's my prerogative [it's my prerogative!]
It's the way that I wanna live [it's my prerogative]
I can do just what I feel [it's my prerogative]
No one can tell me what to do [it's my prerogative]
'Cause what I'm doing I'm doing for you!
Don't get me wrong, I'm really not souped
Ego trips is not my thing
All these strange relationships, really gets me down
I see nothing wrong, in spreading myself around
Everybody's talking all this stuff about me
Why don't they just let me live? [Tell me why!]
I don't need permission, make my own decisions
That's my prerogative [it's my prerogative!]
I can do what I wanna do [it's my prerogative]
I can live my life [it's my prerogative]
And I'm doing it just for you [it's my prerogative]
Tell me, tell me why can't I live my life
Without all of the things that people say...
Yo, tell it, kick it like this!
Oh no, no, I can do what I wanna do,me and you
Together, together, together, together, together...
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#5 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:46 PM ESTI totally agree with the article, I was raised in a large fam, 7 kids and my parents divorced after 30 years.
I have seen many children who do not know their fathers, mothers, extended family.
My parents were not perfect, they taught us values and the priority of taking care of your family.
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