Poll: Should the Susan G. Komen for the Cure be the brunt of scurrilous comments for not funding the embattled + Investigated Planned Parenthood?

Komen foundation selectively only deals with boobs..... best to give your money that helps the entire body... BOTH male and female.

PP is an organization that promotes women's health. I don't know why the Christian right is so focused on going after women and their rights/privacy/freedom/welfare (and it is always women, never men - unless gay). Why can't they all just butt out and worry about themselves and quit trying to force their hypocritical "morality" on to all of us?

Komen can do whatever it wants, but I won't give to Komen anymore, and I will give more to PP and other worthy charities. And I think many, many women feel the same way I do, and I think Komen will find they made a very bad decision.

nope, not until the baby is born. If the 'father' can carry that child until term, then that opinion may change, but until that point, the answer is NO.

"... Planned Parenthood has consistently been investigated for performing abortions on under age girls without informing the police of incestuous rape or statutory rape."

What were the results of those investigations? Any convictions? Any fines, or punishments of any kind? Let's see some "parts and links",

There's nothing healthy about contraceptives??? Who are you kidding?

Thank goodness PP was around when I was with my first boyfriend. They explained all the birth control options, the pros and cons of each, so I could make an informed decision and NOT have an unplanned baby. The whole point of PP, Therese, is to prevent unplanned parenthood - to make sure people who have babies PLAN it. You obviously miss the entire point.

Promotion of ignorance, such as Komen is doing, is atrocious. They won't get any of my money.

There is a movie coming out on February 3rd exposing the marketing propaganda of the pink ribbon.

http://www.nfb.ca/film/pink_ribbons_inc_trailer

Contraceptives have multiple serious problems for women, strokes, blood clots and death. Not healthy.

Condoms, dental dams, etc DO NOT cause strokes, blood clots, or death. Religion is NOT science please stop pretending it is.

Contraceptives have multiple serious problems for women, strokes, blood clots and death. Not healthy.

Hmmm so if the hormones that are naturally found in the body cause these problems, then I guess we need to give every woman a hysterectomy to prevent them. There are two parts to that warning:

1) The risk is a combination factor usually combined with smoking. Maybe it's the very unnatural SMOKING that is the true problem, but hey, smoking makes the tobacco industry money and that's a GOP cause, so that is fine for the right wing, instead of the mass marketing of cancer sticks.

2) Do you even know how Birth Control works? It uses the same hormones that are in a woman's body to prevent pregnancy. It isn't some unnatural chemical product.

Childbirth causes more deaths than contraception does. My dad's mother died in childbirth.

My Mom's mom did, too.

true-- therese--contraceptives have been linked to breast cancer and heart disease, not to mention the blood clot problem....not saying contraceptives are bad for everyone, but they are not the “magic pills” they are advertised to be...they have some very serious side effects, so someone should be aware before they take them......I myself could not take them due to the unhealthy side effects...

Interesting article about IUD's from a former clinic director, Abby Johnson:

I found out several months ago that a woman had miscarried because of an IUD inserted at my clinic. She was pregnant when it was inserted. That isn’t supposed to happen…but mistakes are made…her child paid the price. She went to the emergency room because she was having severe abdominal pain. She didn’t know she was pregnant until they did an ultrasound to find out what was wrong. There was her baby. His heart had stopped. She had to deliver her baby and have her IUD removed all in the same visit to the hospital. He was 18 weeks old. Why did this happen? Because an IUD is made to abort children.

So, why would Planned Parenthood lie and say IUDs are safe? Planned Parenthood pays less than $300.00 for an IUD…they are reimbursed over $750.00 from the federal government (our tax dollars). Is that a good enough reason?

I think Therese has just about lost it.

Perhaps they're afraid of what the investigation will turn up.

Crispy I highly doubt it...PP is probably one of the most auditeded programs (lately by republicans) so I would bet that they (PP) would welcome an investigation although there would always be someone who would twist the results.

Poll: Should the Susan G. Komen for the Cure be the brunt of scurrilous comments for not funding the embattled + Investigated Planned Parenthood?"

Yes. But, where is the Poll? Or is it not really a poll to vote on the topic, just wanting comments only?

Just askin....

considering the commercial profit making nature of Komen (including trademark lawsuits), I don't believe that Komen should be a charity either, but hey, this may end up killing Komen, and if PP gets that funding from other sources, another intolerant organization biting the dust may just be a good thing.

I do not think Planned Parenthood should have Tax Exempt status or receive federal funding.

Well you have neither a J.D. or a specialty in tax code. Get over it. I don't think churches should have tax-exempt status, but there you are. There are different qualifications and different variations to qualify for a particular 501 3 c status. But you knew that. Right?

crispy,

well considering that PP gets investigated multiple times a year, and all their books are essentially an open book, they are probably not worried at all about any investigation. But when they get investigated for political reasons multiple times a year, it does become an undue financial strain on the organization.

well considering that PP gets investigated multiple times a year, and all their books are essentially an open book, they are probably not worried at all about any investigation. 

Where there's smoke there's usually fire.  For example:

A whistle-blower lawsuit contends that Planned Parenthood affiliates in California overcharged the state and federal governments by at least $180 million for birth-control pills, despite internal and external warnings that its billing practices were improper. [Los Angeles Times]

Another:

The criminal division of the Internal Revenue Service is looking into the finances of Planned Parenthood Golden Gate, while the organization has brought in forensic accountants to evaluate its books. [New York Times]

Their "open book" needs to be opened a little wider:

a lot of Federal tax dollars go directly into Planned Parenthood's bank accounts each and every year. Their 2008 Annual Report shows them receiving $349.6 million in government grants and contracts. A recent Government Accountability Office report also shows that Planned Parenthood reported spending $657.1 million in federal funds from 2002 to 2008, despite receiving over $2.3 billion tax dollars in government grants and programs during that same period. That means $1.6 billion of American taxpayer dollars are unaccounted for. [source]

A whistle-blower lawsuit contends that Planned Parenthood affiliates in California overcharged the state and federal governments by at least $180 million for birth-control pills

Maybe the CEO can get elected as a republican governor.

crispy,

not with a political investigation. That is the problem with it. The investigations that are going on are political beasts, nothing more. The end result is a political paper that has NO legal weight.

If there is something there, then let the FBI or the IRS do an investigation/audit. That is the proper venue for such an accusation. But no, it has to be political, because the reason for it isn't to actually correct a deficiency, it is to MAKE POLITICAL NOISE.

Right on, Rachel. The investigation into Planned Parenthood was initiated by ultra conservative congressmen as a witch hunt and an effort to close it down because of his anti-abortion stance.

It's clear that Planned Parenthood and its affiliates have not broken the law. The Department of Health and Human Services Inspector General along with state Medicaid programs already audit Planned Parenthood. These audits have not revealed any pattern of behavior that would warrant Congressional investigation, let alone one of the scope that Rep. Stearns has called for, which is particularly onerous. As the Huffington Post notes, "Stearns gave Planned Parenthood and its 83 affiliates two weeks to provide a full 12 years of audit reports and other documentation."

It looks like the investigation has NOT turned anything up, but it doesn't stop them from slowly chipping away at Roe v. Wade! Shameful!

Same here Rachel. I called them a coward, and and that their decision to pull funding of PP was unconscionable and would be the down fall of their organization. That their caving to the most radical and extremist of political and religious people in America to deprive the poor of any breast cancer health protection is allowing their organization to be part of the GOP declared war on American women.

I told them that I will do all I can to see to it that their organization lost all funding and meet the same fate as what they have so cowardly done to not only PP, but, the millions of women in America who are poor and/or have no insurance they serve and the lives they help save. That their own company is no more worthy of staying in business than the PP they are so cowardly helping to destroy, and are no better than the prejudice and unAmerican few who they have so cowardly caved to at the expense of the lives of millions of innocent women.

Yes, it should.

More mis information, WOW!!! but are we shocked?

1) Komen is NOT a cancer research center. As per Wikipedia:

Susan G. Komen for the Cure, formerly known as The Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, often referred to as simply Komen, is the most widely known, largest and best-funded breast cancer organization in the US

This means that it is just an organization relating to breast cancer issues, it is not a research center at all.

As to the funding by Komen here is the 2009-2010 figures, again as per Wikipedia

- $360 million in expenses.
- - $283.2 million of this went towards program services:
- - - $75.4 million (20.9 percent of total expenditure) went to research,
- - - $140.8 million (39.1 percent) went to public health education,
- - - $46.9 million (13 percent) went to health screening services, and
- - - $20.1 million (5.6 percent) went to treatment services.
- - $76.8 million went to supporting services
- - - $36.1 million (10 percent of total expenditure) toward fund-raising costs
- - - $40.6 million (11.3 percent) toward general and administrative costs

NOTE: the LARGEST single item was not research at all, but education

2) Planned Parenthood provides MANY services. It may be the single largest provider of abortions in the united states, but that is only because it has services in most states. Now as that single largest provider, abortions are less than 3%, I repeat 3% of their activities.

Now how the hell do you know that planned parenthood doesn't have mammogram machines. Each PP office has different capabilities, and believe it or not, I know this may be a shocker to the radical religious intolerant, but most don't even provide abortions.

3) The money ISN'T CANCER RESEARCH, as stated in point 1.

Geez, I really wish that the radical right would at least get their facts straight, it would really help making a discussion easier to handle without getting really pissed off.

"[Planned Parenthood] does not have Mammogram machines to check for cancer ..."

That's right - but they have affiliates who do have mammogram machines to check for cancer - and Planned Parenthood pays for those mammograms and diagnostic followup treatment. See, for instance, here. SGK gives money to PP - and PP pays affiliates for mammograms and follow-up treatment with that money (or, at least, they did - now I suppose they'll use other funding sources.

"... why should they feel entitled to monies from cancer research?"

Why do you think they feel entitled to those monies? All I've heard from PP is that they are disappointed (for instance, see your article) that SGK has decided to stop donating to them. I don't see any PP person declaring that they are entitled to donations from SGK - or from any other cancer research organization for that matter. I don't see any PP person demanding that the funding be re-instigated based on an entitlement.

Therese, the claim of a lack of "mammogram machines" was never the complaint from Komen. I would think that Komen would not have been granting PP money for breast screening if PP was unable to screen for breast cancer.

SW

I believe in the regions in question that the Komen funding was for, there would generally be NO mammogram machines, PP or not. SO PP would in their centres perform a 'manual' screen, and if something was found, a referral would be made to the closest centre that had a mammogram machine (regardless of whether it was a PP centre or not).

What also doesn't seem to be getting through is that only a very small percentage of PP centres actually perform abortions, and because of the remote nature of a lot of the communities that this program runs in, it is very doubtful that any of them that received any of the funds from Komen (if that even should be an issue) would perform abortions.

The figures that 37% of PP money is from abortions is just pure smegh made up in some radical right wing dream factory.

Doctors' offices do not do mammograms. Clinics do not do mammograms. Even the hospital radiology department at the hospital my doctors are affiliated with does not do routine mammograms. The terms used are "breast exams" or "screening for breast cancer." So your telephone investigation is correct; all PP clinics do not have mammography xray machines. Referrals are made and payment is through PP. However, testing is also done with ultrasound.

why do they not buy Mammogram machines?

because it's all a clever ruse to get money from Komen so that they can pervert its intention to provide abortions, obviously...right?

..or maybe it's just not practical and digital radiograph machines aren't needed on every street corner.

Buying the machine and staffing it with a tech and a radiologist would be cost prohibitive and would lead to less ability to get women their screenings...maybe.

but it's probably something more insidious, like you suggest. One thing for sure, it's best to just assume and not to ask them. Also, you should hold them to claims they never made, such as "we give mammograms, right here, in our office, with our very own machinery" and pretend like there's some fraud being perpetrated.

Why don't you as PP as to why they don't spend the 30 million dollars per unit for mammogram machines.

SW,

They don't get government funds, what Komen wants (I really wonder what Susan Komen felt about the issue) is to tell PP how to operate their entire entity, even if they are only funding a very specific tiny piece of it.

Jonathan, they definitely do get government funds which help pay for certain medical tests and medications. This answers Therese's #1-16 and 1-19 also:

AUL Claim: AUL‟s so-called “report” claims a 2010 US General Accounting Office report “demonstrates that even the federal government does not know” how much federal funding Planned Parenthood receives. (pg. 8)FACT CHECK: This is a recycled charge about alleged missing money that a 2011 PolitiFact fact check rejected as “Pants on Fire” lie. Planned Parenthood health centers are similar to hospitals and other providers that receive payments from public programs like Medicaid for specific medical visits, treatments, and procedures. Planned Parenthood undergoes routine audits to ensure proper use of public funds.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/fact_Fact_Check_AUL_report.pdf

sw.

sorry, that should have been, 'they don't get government funds to provide abortions to those in financial need'. They get donations from people like myself who donate money to PP and check the box on the form that states that I am ok with those funds going to provide abortion related services.

I was wondering about your statement on funds. FR sent.

politifact is not planned parenthood last time I checked.

Don't get disrespectful with me, Therese. You and I have always kept it clean. Let's leave it that way.

Considering that abortion accounts for aprox. 3% of all Planned Parenthood activities...

Sure, given that an "activity" can be giving a condom, analyzing a pregnancy test, or prescribing BC. In financial terms, abortion accounts for approximately 46% of clinic revenue, using PP's statistics.

Sure, given that an "activity" can be giving a condom, analyzing a pregnancy test, or prescribing BC. In financial terms, abortion accounts for approximately 46% of clinic revenue, using PP's statistics.

Condoms and BC help prevent abortions, so those "activities" are very important. According to ChristiantityToday Magazine, only about 10% of their revenue comes from abortion services.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2011/aprilweb-only/plannedparenthood.html?start=2

Claim 3: Income from abortions constitutes 37 percent of their total profit!

False. Thirty-seven percent of Planned Parenthood's revenue comes from its health centers; potentially one-third of this health center revenue comes from abortion. Planned Parenthood does not list revenue from specific procedures, but pro-life activists estimate that around 10 percent of the organization's revenue comes from abortion. In other words, pro-life groups' best guess is that around one-third of one-third of the revenue comes from abortion. Further, health center money from abortion would be deemed revenue instead of "profit" since Planned Parenthood is a non-profit and because it would calculate profit as income minus expenditures.

Most clinics do not perform abortions. I can back up my figures. Can you?

Abortions 3% (10,921,825 procedures, 305,310 abortions)

Health center income 36%

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/AR08_vFinal.pdf

Page 9, 18

Every condom dispersed is one potential abortion prevented.

In financial terms, abortion accounts for approximately 46% of clinic revenue, using PP's statistics.

Oops, sorry, it's about 37%

• "Health center" revenue: $374,700,000 (1)
• Abortions Performed: 305,310 (2)
• Average cost per abortion: $451 (3)
• Abortion Revenue: $137,694,810
• Percentage of clinic revenue from abortion: 36.75%

(1) http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/AR08_vFinal.pdf p18

(2) http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/AR08_vFinal.pdf p9

(3) http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/abortion-costs.html

Just to be clear, we are using 2 different years of figures, 2007 procedures and 2008 finances. That being said, yes, abortion would seem to account for about 1/3 of the clinic revenue.

Of all the procedures done, the one that is always paid by the patient is abortion. The exception is in the case of rape or incest which may be covered by Medicaid for some individuals. Since other procedures are on a sliding scale or free, it skews the percentage to make abortion a big money maker for the clinics.

The revenue from the clinics account for 36% in 2008. By your figure of abortion revenue($137,695,000) at 36.75% (37%) of clinic revenue ($374,700,000) at 36% of a total 2008 organization revenue of $1,038,100,000. the percentage of abortion revenue to the organization would be 13%. If you look at the chart on pg 18 it show medical expenses at 67% or $635,100,000 which is nearly twice the clinic revenue. That covers about 22% of the medical cost. Now that's a big difference.

SW

Nope, when I donate to PP, I check the box that states that the money can go towards providing abortions. So while it is never government funding, it isn't always paid by the patient.

37 % of PP’s revenue is from abortions--no wonder they get rabid when their funding is cut and they attempt to downplay their abortionist role.....

katlin

that figure was bull@!$%# when it was first stated, and it is bull@!$%# with this reference to it. Stating a flat out lie 50 billion times STILL makes it a flat out lie.

Therese,

Ok, so let us assume that the so called investigation was a real one, and not just some political sham (which it is). If THAT was the case, then WHY did the donations to Penn State (you know the institution that is currently under FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATION, not just a federal political investigation) continue under the policy. Remember, Penn State is under investigation for FACILITATING THE SEXUAL MOLESTATION OF YOUNG BOYS THROUGH A Penn State sponsored charity.

And again, ABORTION IS A CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED MEDICAL PROCEDURE. If you don't like that, file a petition with the court to overturn Roe v Wade. That seriously is your only recourse.

I wouldn't take my dog to a PP clinic either. Or my cats. I have a vet for their care.

that is disgusting--encouraging young girls to lie, just so they don't have to follow the law--now that is an org. we can do without..and I hope they get nailed for it..

penn state’s reputation has suffered from all the bad publicity, the komen foundation may have the same fate..

Therese,

You really think that Roe v. Wade will be overturned. Well the moment that happens, I WILL be out of this country. I would imagine that there would be MANY others following. Guess the US really doesn't want investment that creates jobs after all. The United States just wants to be the country known as the Taliban of the christian world.

My point about the penn state is that you are completely ignoring the fact that abortion is legal, so you are 'punishing' an organization for performing a legal service, but COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that an organization that potentially facilitated the rape/molestation of children is STILL GETTING FUNDING.

You know what is the biggest thing about this that you are completely ignoring. Yeah that is fine, if Komen doesn't want to donate money to PP, that is THEIR prerogative, BUT, Komen isn't self sufficient, and Komen is DEPENDENT ON DONATIONS ITSELF, and if the people that donate to Komen do not agree with that decision, because they are not religious fundamentalist theocrats, then THAT IS THEIR CHOICE TOO.

The problem for Komen is that more donations are going to come from the non religious extremists that are offended by this decision, that will no longer be going to Komen because of this decision, than they will make up in the religious extremist crowd.

So quite frankly, right now, Komen is a damaged brand, they damaged it themselves by taking a non religious organization that had broad based appeal and turning it into a narrow focus organization that has more concern for religious purity and ideological idiocy than in serving the mandate of their charter. Can the Komen brand be fixed? who knows, but right now, if they want any chance to survive, then fix it they must.

if they want any chance to survive, then fix it they must.

in other words, bow down to the libs or else !!-- typical narrow minded liberal bully tactics....

you did get one thing right--komen is a damaged brand, but only because they succumbed to political pressure to fund a abortion mill...and many of us can put our dollars elsewhere also.....you can bet any future org.s will think twice about being connected to PP...

katlin

If the libs are the ones donating to the organization, then YES!!!!

What YOU don't seem to understand is that Komen ISN'T A RIGHT WING ORGANIZATION. It isn't a left wing one either. It really has never had a political orientation. It is a BROAD BASED organization. So if the organization makes decisions that alienate the majority of your donors, well guess what? be prepared to lose those donors.

I will give you my personal experience with Planned Parenthood.

fine, I'll share mine too, then.

My wife got her contraception there for years until we were ready to have kids. Both her pregnancies diagnosed there, the clinic by our house is clean, the personnel kind, and we were treated with respect. She got her prenatal vitamins there.

we now have two healthy happy girls and we have the education we need to succeed. My wife is a successful, professional woman; owns her own small business.

I'm sorry your experience wasn't as good as ours.

katlin

in other words, bow down to the libs or else !!-- typical narrow minded liberal bully tactics....

LMAO at "conservatives" accusing others of using their tactics.

Are the 'conservative' views on religion, abortion, marriage, and race typically open-minded or narrow? In fact, by definition, what is "conservative" more closely aligned with, an 'open' or 'narrow' mind.

Too funny. Thanks again for the comedy break, katlin.

Off-topic, Therese.

I shall now propose that cancer cells are life and therefore cannot be killed via excision, radiation, chemotherapy or any other method that serves to terminate the life quality of those cancer cells.

NOTE: Yes that was EXTREME sarcasm, but that was the point.

Abortion industry. Good grief......(facepalm)....

Well you know, we are "Pro-Abortion": "Ladies! Tired of that pesky pregnancy? Step right up for your gummint-funded abortion! It's fun! It's easy! Take home a fetus in a jar to amaze yer neighbors!"

At least, that's how the Pregnancy-Enforcers deputized by their Invisible Deity seem to present the matter.

The topic is not abortion or when life begins. The topic is funding, the title of your article. You know that but are trying to make this all about abortion and everything connected.

SW,

the whole topic is screwed up in the first place, because the title STILL has the word POLL in it, even though there is no poll to take. She has been advised of this problem, and the CoH aspect of it, but either didn't see it or refuses to update the title.

SW and Jonathan ... what else would you expect? Report, detrack, and move on.

Since when do Pro Aborts have the standing to put political pressure on a private group???

The same as the Anti Freedom of Choice crowd, I guess.

I doubt the congressional letters had anything to do with the decision to reverse, I believe that the loss in donations itself had FAR more to do with it. In other words, people making their own personal decisions on who to donate their dollars to. Or are you now going to insist that people keep donating to Komen even though they don't believe in the completely non relevant anti abortion message that the organization all of a sudden, and for no reason, has taken.

The message you seem to ignoring over and over again is- It is not about a measly number of congressmen or why they voiced their concerns over Komen pulling funding. It was all the people who donated to Komen only to discover that the organization succumed to a political based movement. Then choose to Lie about it. It was their voices that made Komen reverse it decision. If you want to split hairs...how many congressmen applauded the cutting off of Plan Parenthood. This move was not about supporting women's health...whether you and other religious minded people want to believe otherwise.

The message you seem to ignoring over and over again is- It is not about a measly number of congressmen or why they voiced their concerns over Komen pulling funding.

I think I understand the scope of the issue. I just believe this was not a place for Congress to stick their nose.

To have Congress politically bully Komen to fund the largest Abortion provider in the country is egregious.

I haven't seen much bullying by Congress. Komen responded to pressure from the public.

I think I understand the scope of the issue. I just believe this was not a place for Congress to stick their nose.

Good, we can suggest the same for all the republican congressmen who applauding the cutting of funds...and all of them who denounced Komen for reinstating the funding.

I would wager that the 26 congressmen who condemned the pulling of funds thought the same as the rest of us. That it did nothing to help women or advance the fight of cancer what so ever. If anyone is still suggesting that they applied pressure to make Komen reconsider. Perhaps that person can describe exactly how they pressured Komen.

hold on greck, Therese has all the rights in the world to suggest through innuendo that their abortion budget is a billion dollars

@!$%#, you think watching Fox News doesn't give people ideas on how to skew facts

I also don't understand what's "scurrilous" about anything Planned Parenthood has said on the matter.

you call "disappointing" and "political" scurrilous remarks?

scur·ril·ous/ˈskərələs/
Adjective:
1.Making or spreading scandalous claims about someone with the intention of damaging their reputation: "a scurrilous attack".
2.Humorously insulting.

What's scurrilous about this statement?

http://www.boston.com/Boston/dailydose/2012/01/komen-foundation-cuts-off-cancer-screening-grants-planned-parenthood/c32PgTM9CT0ful812D2YkO/index.html

“At a time when women’s health has been under attack, it’s a sad commentary that our two organizations won’t be working together since we both have similar missions,” Dianne Luby, president of the Massachusetts Planned Parenthood said in an interview. “Komen has appeared to succumbed to political pressure from a vocal minority and it leaves women in the lurch. We hope they’ll reconsider.”

HAHA Theresa you totally missed what they were talking about or ignored it. Look below and maybe you will catch it this time.

hold on greck, Therese has all the rights in the world to suggest through innuendo that their Abortion Budget is a billion dollars

your quote says

with a Total Budget of approximately US $1 billion.

One of these is not like the other correct?

Therese, the article that you quoted in #7.4 also says this:

Services provided at locations include contraceptives (birth control); emergency contraception; screening for breast, cervical and testicular cancers; pregnancy testing and pregnancy options counseling; testing and treatment for sexually transmitted diseases; comprehensive sexuality education, menopause treatments; vasectomies, tubal ligations, and abortion.

In 2009, Planned Parenthood provided 4,009,549 contraceptive services (35% of total), 3,955,926 sexually transmitted disease services (35% of total), 1,830,811 cancer related services (16% of total), 1,178,369 pregnancy/prenatal/midlife services (10% of total), 332,278 abortion services (3% of total), and 76,977 other services (1% of total), for a total of 11,383,900 services.^{[35][7][37][38][39][40]} The organization also said its doctors and nurses annually conduct 1 million screenings for cervical cancer and 830,000 breast exams.

Please note that abortion services are only 3% of all of the services provided by Planned Parenthood.

Therese,

Wow, what little faith you have...

with good reason, based on your article.

you make it sound like they spend a billion on abortions annually and like they said Susan G Komen actively goes around giving women breast cancer just so they can have their 5k run every year. In reality, the comments made were quite mild and that billion mostly goes to contraception, STD diagnosis and treatment, cancer related services, and prenatal services (note: they help three times as many mothers keep their babies and get them safely to the delivery room than they abort)

cancer related services,

Including prostate and testicular cancer screening.

Therese,

That law I believe is STILL under litigation as to the constitutionality of the law itself.

There is no date nor link to legislation or budget item. ???

Therese,

it isn't a private charity, it is a PUBLIC charity that receives money from the public.

And they don't have to fund anything, however when they make political decisions, they have to accept the consequences of those decisions. So SGK is well within their rights to not fund PP, but, and this part is key, THOSE PEOPLE THAT DONATE TO SGK ARE ALSO WELL WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS TO NOT FUND SGK because of it.

I guess I am still unsure why you and others are demanding that this singular, private Charity HAS to fund anything for Planned Parenthood?

I am not insisting that Komen has to fund anything for Planned Parenthood. As Jonathan said, Komen has to accept the consequences of their decisions, and if they choose to defund Planned Parenthood, then donors can choose to stop sending them donations. Komen is accountable to the public since they are a tax-exempt charity.

It seems quite strange that one should have a poll with no poll taken? Sounds more like an effort to garner attention, without the risk that a poll would lead to! Should not the author of this either put a poll up or change the title? Or perhaps the right thing to do would be to have the author remove the false and misleading article?

My family will in the future no longer purchase any item that has any affiliation with the SBK group! They have betrayed the public by becoming a tool of a political agenda!

Ding, ding, ding,...

That's what I was looking for.

Yes, sgk deserves all the criticism they get.

First, you should note the date on my post. It was the first day of this article.

Second, this is not a poll as it is not in a poll and your reasoning does not make it one. This article should have been taken down until you corrected the title or added a poll.

damn, all it takes is a two second edit of the title.

no, that is NOT federal law. Federal law is no tax funds going DIRECTLY to abortion. Sounds the same, but VERY different legally.

I guess I cannot understand how anyone can make judgement or feel they have the right to bully or push people to donate their donations to Komen when they are not presenting themselves as a religious backed pro life moment, but make decisions based on a pro life agenda.

Komen can make that decision, no problem, but when they make that decision, many make the exact same decision on the other side and halt their donations to Komen.

The "Parenthood" is also false, the child is killed in the womb, so the woman or mother and father are no longer "Parenting".

How is it false? Most parents use birth control. The key word is Planned.

you are explicitly NOT reproducing

And so are you, Therese, each time you don't have unprotected sex while you're ovulating. So is every man, every day of his life that he's able to orgasm and doesn't impregnate a woman. Maybe even 4 times a day. Your argument is ridiculous. All those poor little eggs and sperm, going to waste - that's murder in your book, Therese, since those are potential lives. You know, pregnancy isn't a disease according to you - even though it kills lots more women than birth control ever has - so just stay pregnant and save the baby eggs. Guys should have sex constantly so those potential lives locked up in their sperm don't die.

But apparently, Susan G. Komen doesn't have the right to choose?

They have every right to choose, just as theirdonors have every right to choose to donate to Planned Parenthood or other organizations instead of the Komen foundation.

Not doing breast exams is to punish the Komen foundation?

They haven't said that they aren't doing them. They just won't get the funding from Komen.

Maybe a thank you is in order.

I was thinking the same thing. Komen's decision to defund Planned Parenthood has resulted in an increase in donations to Planned Parenthood. It's funny how things work out sometimes.

Komen's decision to defund Planned Parenthood has resulted in an increase in donations to Planned Parenthood. It's funny how things work out sometimes.

Not for me it is not funny...it is a polictical slight that the right would hope that wouldn't come out for women who VOTE. As a man I will support the women that supported me...plain and simple without the rhetoric of those on the christian right.

Ron... I don't think that Komen even thought that people would rise up and donate to PP for them pulling money that help women have Breast Cancer screening. Their new VP saw only one thing that was to harm PP. She is already on record stating that she hates what they do.

PS.... don't worry as we human beings will rise up to donate to help all women

Komen isn't the only foundation working for the cure for breast cancer. They may soon be the smallest and least funded. Very unfortunate for the memory of Susan Komen, who battled breast cancer, and for her sister who started the foundation.

This is on the wikipage of Nancy Brinker, the founder, and Susan Komen's sister:

In 1982, Brinker established Susan G. Komen for the Cure, after a promise to her dying sister, Susan G. Komen, that she would do everything in her power to end breast cancer.

Now this sounds like a counter policy to that promise.

But hey, maybe this was all part of the plan to get more donations through the controversy ;)

Screening for breast cancer will continue at Planned Parenthood despite the withdrawal of funds by SGK.

Let say SGKF flip-flops and then allows PP to apply for grants which are likely competitive. Do you think SGKF can be trusted? I don't; they're toast. With so many other ways to be charitable, I do not need to support one that is not committed to what I think is important?

From reading comments here and other places, I am pretty sure I a poll isn't necessary; SGKF's abject stupidity seems to be the dominant take on this.

SW Missouri Mule

Agreed. The additional funds from SGK would allow even more screenings to be available.

no, they created this new policy at the same time a republican created yet another investigation into PP. In otherwords, they are creating the situation that lead to the funding halt.

It is still following their own procedures. I can't blame them for not wanting to support a charity that is under investigation by the feds.

I can't blame them for not wanting to support a charity that is under investigation by the feds.

Yet another who acts on the basis of rumor and innuendo - who supports punishment of the accused, without waiting for conviction.

I'm often amazed when I read that the government cannot do anything right - that Congress is inept and that they are taking away our liberties by passing Obamacare, the PATRIOT Act, NDAA, etc. And yet, often the same folks who complain about the inept or malicious interference of government into our lives at the same time support sanctioning people and organizations who are simply being investigated by those inept and malicious government officials.

In the past 30 years my family has lost 2 dear Aunt's and one that "is" a breast cancer survivor. To DENY funding for breast cancer screening for ANY reason by an organization that "claims" to fight to find the cure to this horrific disease is "inconceivable" to say the least!!!! I have also given donations and time to Komen organization but, my money and time WILL be directed towards the LIFE-SAVING organization that is PLANNED PARENTHOOD. Jen, I'm with YOU!

How can an organization that is supposed to be for "finding the cure" for BREAST CANCER DENY funds for breast cancer screening? I am also with you Jennifer-2446215 in directly contributing to Planned Parenthood.

FR sent.

FlaKeysGirl

Accepted. :-)

The Federal investigation was a political bull@!$%# move and you know it. I think it's imprudent to keep saying such silly things, but it's your right, I guess. When you're as emotionally involved an issue as you are, it's tough to be logical. I understand that and realize that's why you aren't making rational arguments.

katrix

It has nothing to do with being emotional and everything to do with donating to a cause who claims to be looking for the cure for cancer while doing the bidding of a right wing fanatical religious point of view and using the money donated by persons such as myself to that end. I for one think that the right wing religious dogma is a bunch of crap and I will never knowingly donate to any organization that does their bidding.

Jennifer, my comment wasn't directed at you - I agree with you completely. Saving lives shouldn't be political.

everything to do with donating to a cause who claims to be looking for the cure for cancer

I will never knowingly donate to any organization that does their bidding.

believe me, many will not be donating to komen but for opposite reasons...I will not donate as long as I know that any part of it will go to support abortion instead of fighting cancer..

ps--I happen to believe in the use of contraception, but i have to draw the line at abortion & as as long as komen is associated with the biggest advocate of it , they cannot count on me for a donation..

only NONE of the komen money ever went to supporting abortions at planned parenthood. The money was what you would call a 'directed' contribution. It never went into the general 'pot'. It ONLY ever went to conduct the procedures that the komen program was sponsoring.

Jonathan

And yet, the righties told them to decline the funding to PP and being run by righties they fell in line. Give directly to PP and skip the BS, I say.

Jennifer

Only IN THE PARTICULAR program that PP was getting the funding from Komen for, PP was only one of MANY organizations that was getting funding. So by denying funding to PP, Komen was putting women's lives at risk because it would potentially impair early detection, but by stopping donations to Komen, the risk is the exact same, because now other groups that were also recipients of that funding would potentially no longer receive funding.

Basically it is one total cluster @!$%#, and unfortunately NOBODY wins. All because of some political bull@!$%#.

I agree that women will be at risk but I will not send money to Komen anymore, only Planned Parenthood. Sorry, I do not trust the Komen organization anymore.

And that is the reason why nobody wins. For the sake of a political issue that is completely unrelated to what this program that Komen is funding is trying to achieve, the organization has destroyed peoples confidence in the organization. It shouldn't matter if the heads of the organization are pro-life/anti-abortion, this is an issue that Komen AND PP should have found common ground and not introduce division. But nope, even in charity and matters of social well being, it just seems that in this day and age, we need to introduce divisive politics.

We all lose, as a society.

Or we who donate our time and money should pay more attention to the motives of those we donate to. I give blood periodically to the Red Cross and money when there are disasters but I have heard so many negatives about the donations not going to those who need it I have been reluctant to give lately. Maybe the organizations need to police themselves a little better and that includes the church also who has turned a blind eye to child molestation and such things as that. I think that the American people are very generous in general but you don't take advantage of us and then not help those who need it. That is shameful.

jennifer--although we are on opposite sides of the PP agency issue, I agree that people generally feel duped on all sides...and has taught us to pay better attention to where the agencies we donate too put their money..we donate to a specific cause/charity thinking the money is going for that and it makes us angry and distrustful when we find out it has been diverted to other causes we don’t agree with or in the case of disaster relief maybe not at all....komen violated trust and that will hurt them.......why are senators, ANY SENATORS putting pressure on a charity to donate to another org. is beyond me..komen got sucked into it, and compromised their purpose.

katlin

But you are assuming that PP took that money go fund abortions, and they didn't. ALL the money that Komen directed to PP went to a specific breast cancer screening program. Not to abortions. It is a difference between a general donation with the 'allow to provide for abortions' from a general donation with that previous box not checked, AND IN THIS CASE, a directed contribution for a specific program.

So what Komen tried to do is to tell PP how to run the other parts of the organization, which is not fair, to anyone.

In the end, it bit them in the ass. Not because Komen was doing this in secret, they weren't, but because Komen does not advertise itself as a 'pro-life' organization, but made a decision on that view.

PP is the biggest provider and largest lobbying agency for abortion, something that I totally disagree with.. I object to ANY money that goes to this agency from my pocket, including the gov funding it receives....what does PP have to do with cancer research ? nothing,-- komen takes money that states is going to cancer research and prevention and that is the ONLY reason i donate to them or did.. komen is now a damaged brand, at least for me, and that is too bad, maybe in the future if they can demonstrate that they do not give to abortion clinics then I’ll consider it..

katlin

What does Komen have to do with cancer research? VERY little of the money that is donated to Komen goes to research. Most of it goes to education and early detection.

You should look at the wikipedia article to see exactly where Komen itself declares where its money goes. Research isn't the biggest item (actually overhead was higher than research if I recall correctly. That has NOTHING to do with anything related to PP.

If the only reason why you donate to Komen is for research, then Komen has been going against your wishes for years.

I will start donating to the Komen foundation.

You will? Will Mike Cook post a comment here and announce his support for Komen, too? ML Cook....Mike Cook. That is you, right?

http://mikekathycook.newsvine.com/

Well I'll be. Coincidence? Hmm.

Oh Christ. Let this be a coincidence.